Genesis 4:1 Did EVE Really Say: “I have Gotten a MAN From The Lord?”

Introduction:

Now this article should really be Part 5 of my series of articles: “Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil, Or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?” (See link No.1 below), so I will be adding it to that page, whilst leaving this article as a stand alone article. Moreover, I have dealt with this subject within that series of articles, but due to my having discovered more proof and evidence, this week commencing 13th February 2022, that shows that Genesis 4:1 in its KJV rendering is 100% bunkum and hogwash. It therefore behoved me to share this additional Truth about the damnable translation of this verse.

Here is the bogus verse in question, as written in the KJV:

Genesis 4:1 (KJV) And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from The Lord.

OK, so let me make this known first of all, for this will be mostly the work of a man by the name of Clifton A. Emahiser who was knowledgable in THE SEEDLINE DOCTRINE, as it is known by some, but not by me, I call it The Two Seeds Truth. Moreover, he wasn’t correct in all his teaching, which I will reveal in another article. So here are his opening remarks on Genesis 4:1:

THE PROBLEM WITH GENESIS 4:1

Many may reply, “I didn’t know there was a question concerning that verse.” Unless one understands that the Hebrew is badly corrupted on this passage, he will, like most everyone else who has ever read it, arrive at a mistaken conclusion. Before we start an evaluation to discover the ramifications, let’s read it according to the KJV: “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

Genesis 4:1 is probably one of the most misunderstood verses in the Bible. This is really an understatement of fact to say the least. On the understanding of this verse, lies the entire theme of the Bible. Actually Genesis 3:15 is the main theme of the Bible, but without a correct understanding of Genesis 4:1, the theme becomes muddled and confused! Therefore it is of the utmost importance that one gain an understanding of this verse or the entire Bible will remain a mystery! It is with this thought, that the object of this Bible study is to completely master this passage so that the story of the Bible can be opened up to us in all of its splendour and brilliance.”

Later, he then goes on to say:

It would appear, if this were the only verse in the Bible that had anything to say about this matter of the birth of Cain, and if the King James version of the Bible were the only version of the Bible we had, that we would have to accept the fact that Adam was the father of Cain. You see, here is the problem, Adam was not the father of Cain! Not only are the “Jews” of today not of Adam, but they know themselves they are descended from Cain. Let’s see who the “Jew” admits himself to be. In the “Jewish” publication Liberal Judaism, January, 1949, there is an article entitled, “Liberal Judaism and Israel” written by one of their greatest and most renowned Rabbis, Dr. Abba Hillel Silver. Dr. Silver, writing about the then new State of Israel says:

{“’ … the third commonwealth of the Jewish Nation is thus an accomplished fact. The State of Israel exists.

{“’As a result the concept of the wandering Jew is bound eventually to disappear along with the term (galut) exile. All nations send forth immigrants to all parts of the world. People are continually moving from one country to another, and change their citizenship, but they are not regarded as exiles.

{“’This fact alone – the end of national exile for the Jewish people, as such —is destined to affect favourably the psyche of the Jew throughout the world. It will endow the Jew, wherever he lives, with a self respect and a sense of security, a normal tone, long-wanting in Jewish experience. For the curse of Cain, the curse of being an outcast and a “wanderer” over the face of the earth has been removed …’”}

So here, Emahiser, in using this quote from Rabbi Silver, has proven to us that the Jews KNOW WHO THEY ARE, and that they definitely KNOW who they are descended from, and, just as they knew in the first century, when they lied to Yashua Messiah our future King, when they claimed that: “They were not born of fornication”.

John 8:40-41 (MCV) But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you The Truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to Him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Notice, that they did not say they have Abraham as their father, they went straight to The Garden event claiming to be sons of Adam – a part of God’s creation, and thereby denied (they lied) that they were the Devil’s sons through Cain.

For further evidence, we now go to the immense work called “The Interpreter’s Bible”, which I only learned of at the commencement of this study. The Interpreter’s Bible, is a twelve volume work of 36 editors who worked together in order to produce it. It is available online at this web address:

Here it says this:

Cain seems originally to have been the ancestor of the Kenites … The meaning of the name is ‘metalworker’ or ‘smith’; here, however, it is represented as a derivation of a word meaning ‘acquire’, ‘get’ — one of the popular etymologies frequent in Genesis — hence the mother’s words I have gotten a man. ‘From the Lord’ (KJV) is a rendering, following the Septuagint (LXX) and Vulgate., of ’eth Yahweh, which is literally, ‘with Yahweh’, and so unintelligible here (the help of [RSV] is not in the Hebrew). It seems probable that ’eth should be ’oth — so, ‘the mark of Yahweh’ — and that the words are a gloss …”

Did you notice that? As Genesis 4:1 is written in the KJV it is taken from the Hebrew term ‘Eth Yahweh’ meaning ‘with Yahweh’ or better ‘laying with Yahweh in order to conceive’ which, as they have correctly said, is unintelligible or utter nonsense, and it is from this very same nonsense that they conjured up the erroneous term: I have gotten a man from the Lord.”

If we now go to the other writings that I used to support The Truth in my original article, and post them here, we’ll see how they make even more sense now that I have revealed Emahiser’s findings:

First from the Aramaic Targums:

Genesis 4:1 And the woman saw Sammael, the angel of death, and she was afraid and knew that the tree was good for food, and that it was a remedy for the enlightenment of the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise. She took of its fruit and ate and also gave (it) to her husband and he ate.”

Second from the Aramaic Targum, pseudo-Jonathan:

Genesis 4:1 Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the Angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And he was like those on high and not like those below. And she said: ‘I have got a man from the angel of the LORD’.”

Third from the Targum Onkelos: THE TARGUM OF PALESTINE IV:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Hava (Eve) his wife, who had desired (lusted after) the Angel; and she conceived, and bare Kain; and she said, I have acquired a man, (from) the angel of the Lord. And she added to bear from her husband Adam his twin, (superfetation) even Habel (Abel). And Habel was a shepherd of the flock, but Kain was a man working in the earth. (All brackets mine)

Fourth from the Rabbinic work of Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer: (See link below.)

Genesis 4:1 And she saw that his likeness was not of earthly beings, but of the heavenly beings, and she prophesied and said: I have gotten a man from the Lord.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirkei_De-Rabbi_Eliezer

So there we have it, Eve NEVER said “I have gotten a man from the Lord” but rather: “I have gotten a man from the angel of death – The Serpent Creature!!”

I will add further articles to this series as I am sure more evidence will reveal itself.

In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name

Messenger Charles

1. Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?:

Some complimentary reading to the above:

2. Hu; Hu-mans; Canaanites; The Serpent Seed:

3. Were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, Jews? – The Beginning:

4. The Origins of the Royal Judahites and Canaanite Jews explained:

5. Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) was not a Jew:

6. The Jews are The Tares fit only for burning – a real Holocaust!:

7: Salvation Is Of The Jews. Oh really, Is That So!?:

Did The Messenger Paul REASON With THE JEWS In The Synagogues?

OK, now the first issue that arises out of this title is who were these Jews? for until we ascertain who they really were, we’re not going to fully understand this question, or this issue. We then have to see the word ‘synagogue’ in The Light of the Holy Scriptures for, again, unless we know for sure what ‘synagogues’ represent, we’ll flounder in the dark.

So let’s get this second point firmly set in our minds and onto our hearts of Truth, because there is NOTHING positive about synagogues, and the only synagogue mentioned by name in the Holy Scriptures is this one here, and it’s mentioned twice! just so we get it!

Revelation 2:9 (KJV) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are The Synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 (KJV) Behold, I will make them of The Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

These verses tell us, without any ambiguity, that there’s only one kind of synagogue – SATAN’S SYNAGOGUE, for there is no other.

Right, so who were these ‘Jews’ that said they were Jews, but were lying? Now here we have the usual type of translator’s error that we find so often in the pages of the KJV, and which I reveal in so many of my articles. So let’s go straight to Strong’s Concordance for some insight:

Jews – G2453Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaîos, ee-oo-dah’-yos; from G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); Judæan, that is, belonging to Jehudah:—Jew(-ess), of Judæa.

OK, the first thing we must understand here is The Truth that the word ‘Jew’, as used in the KJV, is 100% a misnomer, for it is automatically and deceptively leading us to believe that the word ‘Jew’ is referring to the Hebrew Israelites, The Chosen People of God, when NOTHING could be further from The Truth.

This means that these Jews were Jews who thought they were Judeans, but were not Judeans at all, for Judeans were Semitic Hebrew Israelites, and these ‘Jews’ claimed, falsely, that they were Judeans. These impostors, known as ‘Jews’, were/are, in Truth, Hamitic Canaanites from Bathshuah the Canaanitess, through her son Shelah, as recorded in Genesis 38, so they were NOT Judean Semitic Israelites at all. These days they openly admit it!:

“We are a chosen people. Most Jews do not like to admit it but our god is Lucifer and we Jews are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.”

— The Jew, Harold W. Rosenthal

“Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew’. The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all…”

— 1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3.

This is why I call the Jews The Serpent Seed from The Garden (see link Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 below for all the historical proof and evidence that the Jews are nothing to do with The Chosen People – The Twelve Tribes of Israel).

So moving on, we have now learned that these Jews were not Semitic Israelites, so who were these Judeans? The Judeans were descendants of a remnant of the three Tribes of The House of Judah that returned from the Babylonian captivity, namely Royal Judahites, Levites (The Priesthood) and Benjaminites. As examples we had Mary Mariam and Joseph who were Royal Judahites, John the Baptist and his family who were Levites, and The Messenger Paul who was a Benjaminite. Joseph of Arimathea was likewise a Royal Judahite, and no doubt Nicodemus was also a Levite. However, NONE of these crucial Biblical characters were Jews!

All this information now brings us to the thorny issue of whether or not Paul REASONED with the Jews if, by ‘Jews’, Holy Scripture is referring to the Canaanite Jews. If that was the case and the people present in the synagogue were Canaanite Jews then there would have been no reasoning with them at all. Paul would have preached and declared The Gospel of The Kingdom of God and the Jews would have argued with Paul and sent him packing or, worse, attempted to have him arrested and after a rigged trial had him put to death, most likely stoning him to death. This is how much the Jews hated The Gospel Message and thereby making any reasoning totally impossible.

However, if there had been Judahites, Levites and Benjaminites there present with these Canaanite Jews, then some kind of reasoning could have been possible, but always keeping in mind that unless The Father was calling these Judeans, they would also have been non-receptive to The Kingdom Gospel Message.

Moreover, all of you who have read my articles on “Theology and Theologians or Bible Intellectualism and Bible Intellectuals” (see link Nos. 6 and 7 below), will know my views and be aware of the compelling evidence I have gathered that proves them to be next to useless when it comes to matters Holy Spiritual and Scriptural. If you have not read them, I thoroughly recommend them to you now for, without the knowledge contained therein you are, and will always be, vulnerable to their deceitful and deceptive ways. Make no mistake these so called experts will lead you astray if you give them, not even, half a chance.

Back to the title question; well did he? Did Paul ‘reason’ with the Canaanite Jews in the Synagogues? In fact, as already stated, did Paul ‘reason’ with anyone? What if he did or he did not, what does it matter? It matters greatly for, if he didn’t, why is the word ‘reasoned’ in the Holy Scriptures at all?

Let’s deal with the question.

Did Paul reason with the Jews?

Well the KJV of The Holy Bible says he did so that must be it, yes? Actually, no is the plain and simple answer to that. To help us with this study I will list the relevant Holy Scriptures here:

Please take note that the word ‘reasoned’ cannot be found in any of Paul’s letters, nor in Hebrews. So this tells us that it’s a word that only Luke uses in Acts which immediately puts a question mark over it.

Acts 17:1-2 (KJV)Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Acts 18:19And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

There we are, four Holy Scriptures that Bible intellectuals and theologians love, especially Roman Catholic Bible intellectuals. Why do they love these Holy Scriptures? because they think that Paul was just like them, a debating, pontificating Bible intellectual or theologian, when nothing could be further from The Truth, and The Truth is Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ).

OK, let’s print Strong’s definition of this word:

Reasoned – G1256διαλέγομαι dialegomai dee-al-eg’-om-ahee. Middle voice from G1223 and G3004; to say thoroughly, that is, discuss (in argument or exhortation): – dispute, preach (unto), reason (with), speak.

Now here in Strong’s definition we can see some confusion through his contradictory remarks:

On one hand he says ‘dialegomai’ means: “To say thoroughly”; “To preach (unto)”; “To speak”; “To exhort.” Then on the other hand he says it means: “To discuss”; “To argue”; “To dispute”; “To reason.”

Now which is it, for it cannot be both?

In 2 Corinthians 12:20 Paul states quite clearly what he thinks of debating, reasoning and arguing:

2 Corinthians 12:20 (MCV) For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, (reasoning) envyings, wraths, strifes, (arguments) backbitings, whisperings, swellings, (haughtiness through puffed up meaningless intellectual vanity) tumults.

Is Paul a hypocrite? Is he giving advice and warnings to those he is teaching whilst he himself does the opposite!! Is this an example of the worldly norm of: “Don’t do as I do, just do as I tell you?” Is that what it’s all about – is that what Paul was saying here? I don’t think so, in fact I know so and we all know so, don’t we? if The Truth is in us.

Here is the bottom line: “Saying thoroughly”; “preaching unto”; “speaking and exhorting” is a one way street. These activities do not invite debate, unless you are opposed to the aforementioned declarations. We need to understand The Word of God is not up for debate, nor up for discussion, nor up for reasoning on for hours and hours. It is preached and either received or rejected; there is no half way house.

Paul went into the synagogues and preached and there stated his case (he said thoroughly) for Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ). Now there would have been some there that received Paul’s message joyfully, and others that would not have done so. Those who received it joyfully would have questioned Paul further initially being curious and then hungry for The Word of God, and wanting to know more. No doubt those who did not receive his message would have given him much opposition. This opposition would have come from the men of religion, but he would not have argued and reasoned with them. He would have said the same things to them as Yashua Messiah said to the Pharisee Canaanite Jews of His day. Hypocrites; whited sepulchres; nests of vipers etc. etc. The mindset that is opposed God – the carnal hu-man mindset cannot be reasoned with, it’s impossible and Paul knew this. See link No. 8 below)

Let’s not forget he was once one of them himself, a Pharisee, so he knew exactly how their minds worked. That’s why he stated this in Romans 8:6-7

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So there we have it; it’s either one or the other, called or not called.

Let’s now take a closer look at those Holy Scriptures that Bible intellectuals use to support their right to foolishly reason and pontificate on The Holy Word of God, something they are not Spiritually qualified to do.

1) “And three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.”

What does this tell us? It tells us the opposite of The Truth. It says Paul reasoned with them for three Sabbath days, which means every Sabbath, for three consecutive weeks Paul went to this synagogue to preach The Word of God out of The Holy Scriptures. He didn’t reason out of the Holy Scriptures, for it is impossible for a Spirit born son of God to do so. Therefore to ‘say thoroughly’ is just another way of saying he spoke with confidence and authority; he taught, preached to or exhorted those present he didn’t reason. One only reasons with people who are in disagreement. If, as True Believers, we reason with the argumentative, we automatically give credence to their view. If someone was disagreeing with the Messenger Paul, whose servant do you think this trouble maker was? Only one chance for the right answer folks and no prizes for getting it right!

2) “And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.”

Here we go again; he ‘reasoned’ and persuaded the Jews Judeans and Greeks. No he didn’t, he ‘said thoroughly’ what the Holy Scriptures said and then they were persuaded. They were convinced by what they heard. How?

John 6:44 (MCV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw drag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This is how it works folks: The Father God calls a man or a woman to His Son and this is made possible by The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has not yet indwelled this convert yet, but he or she is receiving special attention from The Father through His Spirit. After this miraculous event, and a called person hears The Word of God preached or ‘said thoroughly’ by a messenger from God, he or she will respond positively, they can do nothing else. This is how these Israelite Judeans and Greeks were able to be ‘convinced’. The Father God was calling them and Paul was His messenger bringing them the Good News.

If we look at Strong’s definition for ‘persuaded’ it’s not the best word choice for this situation:

Persuaded – G3982πείθω peithō pi’-tho A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): – agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

In order to satisfy The Truth of John 6:44 we need something better than ‘persuaded’ because to be ‘persuaded’ means a choice has been made and that is not the case at all as being saved is not up to us, it’s not our decision. Let’s assess this miracle properly: “To passively assent to”; “to trust and rely on with an inward certainty”; “to trust and be in agreement with”; “to have no doubts and total confidence that what we and they are hearing is The Truth.” All of the above is only possible through The Father making it possible through The Holy Spirit and Yashua Messiah with us for, where else would this inward certainty originate – from ourselves!!??

When Samuel the Prophet was called The Father God did not reason with him, He just called his name and Samuel replied: “Here am I.”

1 Samuel 3:4 (KJV) That the LORD called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.

Have you noticed two things missing here – reasoning and persuasion, well, would you believe it? I do hope so, because the words ‘reasoned’ and ‘persuaded’ are the additions of Bible intellectuals, who over time have contaminated The Word of God through their personal religious agendas, and thereby reflected them in the pages of The Holy Bible.

As a final point, you could argue’ that I am reasoning’ with you to persuade’ you with this article, right this minute, but again that would not be true unless The Father were already calling you to His Son. If that is the case you will need no reasoning or persuading, and I will certainly not have to argue with you. I am only the sower and the seed is The Word of God and you are either fertile soil or stony ground. Furthermore, I cannot tell you whether you are fertile soil or not, only you can answer this question for yourself, for you will either agree with me or disagree with me.

In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name

Messenger Charles

1. Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?:

2. Were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, Jews? – The Beginning:

3. The Origins of the Royal Judahites and Canaanite Jews explained:

4. Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) was not a Jew:

5. The Jews are The Tares, Fit Only For Burning!:

6. Do Born of God Christians Need Theology & Theologians or Bible Intellectualism and Bible Intellectuals – Parts 1, 2 & 3:

7. Do Born of God Christians Need Theology & Theologians or Bible Intellectualism and Bible Intellectuals – Part 4:

8. Hu; Hu-mans; Canaanites; The Serpent Seed:

FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It? Some Recent Objections

For parts 1 and 2 see link No. 1 below.

This is my third article on this contentious issue, and I recently received some objections to my teaching on it via e-mail. This complainant was very agitated and vociferous, with all his e-mails written in block capitals. Why do people shout when they are in error? Do they think people are going to take more notice of what they are saying if they shout? I suppose they must, but is this the case? I don’t think so, in fact I know so, because all it does is makes them sound and look foolish, combined with The Truth that text written in all-caps is harder to read than upper/lower text, and the writer thereby self-defeated.

So what were his objections? His objections were based on Old Testament Holy Scriptures where it states, and I will quote:

Leviticus 22:18 (KJV) Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering.

OK, the pesky word is written there, but does it change anything that I have not already covered in my previous two articles? Let’s return to some of my teaching just to clarify. Man is a fallen being, a lost being, an unsaved being and that is his overall condition, into which he is born, and he cannot be rescued from that condition until he is called by The Father God to His Son Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ), and regenerated through water Baptism (full immersion), and the gifting of The Holy Spirit.

Genesis 3:5 (KJV) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 (KJV) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

Here is the fallen condition, and notice what God says: “He is become as one of us,” that is, to know ‘good’ and to know evil, to have the knowledge of these two ways of behaving or living. This means from that moment in time (when Adam and Eve fell) man knew about being ‘good’ and about being evil. It also meant he would now be capable of both actions, good, kind or generous actions, even loving actions, or evil, cruel and spiteful actions.

Now if we transfer this reality of The Truth of man’s overall fallen condition to so called ‘freewill offerings’, does this mean that man has had freewill all along and the fall of man in the Garden of Eden didn’t take place. For, make no mistake, this is what it means. It also means man had free will after he fell. For if we say we have free will, it means the fall of man never took place, and we are all free from the bondage of sin and are therefore free, so, by default, we must have free will and we are free to choose. The other issue, and far more important, being that there would been no need for Yashua Messiah to come and die for us.

This, though, flies in the face of The Truth, for in the fallen condition we are slaves to sin, we are lost, so how can we be free. OK, so we are slaves to sin, so what does that mean in terms of will, because we now know it’s not free will that we possess, for we are slaves and slaves have no freedom whatsoever. We have will, certainly, but it’s not free. As mankind we can only have one of two wills, either it’s the Devil’s will, or it’s the Father God’s will, we certainly don’t have any will of our own, and this is what it means to be fallen or lost.

How can that be I hear you ask? Quite simply because God is in charge, but so, in a lesser way, is the other god – the god of this world – Satan. The difference being, the god of this world or this age is soon to lose all his power, but at this moment in time he is still the god of this world and people of this world do his will – period – full stop – end of.

So what is his will? His will is that people believe his lies and that they do it continually, just as they did from day one in The Garden. People love to be lied to, and that’s why they vote for politicians; why they think politicians are on their side; it’s why they go to ‘church’; it’s why they follow religions of all descriptions. It’s all lies and deceptions of the Devil and people love them!! These are nothing but outward displays of the lost, fallen condition and man can behave in no other way – he’s fallen. Paul confirms this for us:

Romans 8:7 (KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can be.

Apart from that, it is also the Devil’s will that man behaves in accordance with the knowledge he acquired when he fell in the Garden of Eden. This issue is of paramount importance when we deal with issue of ‘freewill’ offerings, and it also confirms that Satan maintains his deception through people doing ‘good’ as well as doing evil. If he got people to do evil and only evil his cover would soon be blown, and all people would see him for what he is. No, he is the arch-deceiver and he deceives the whole world, apart from one group of people – The Church of God, otherwise known as The Ekklesia, those called out of this world by The Father.

Freewill offerings – H5071nᵉdâbâh, ned-aw-baw’; from H5068; properly (abstractly) spontaneity, or (adjectively) spontaneous; also (concretely) a spontaneous or (by inference, in plural) abundant gift:—free(-will) offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary(-ily, offering), willing(-ly), offering).

So to press on, there are seventeen verses in the OT where we will find the word ‘freewill’ and the above verse from Leviticus is one of them. The first problem we have with the usage of this word is the usual one of translation error, for if we look in the Hebrew version of the OT we find the word ‘voluntary’ is used. In other words it’s voluntary offerings, not freewill offerings, and there is a subtle difference between these two words. Mr Strong in his concordance gives it as ‘spontaneous’ but has any of this shown that man has free will? No, not at all. Therefore the use of the word ‘freewill’ is definitely misleading, and it is definitely a translator’s choice, so therefore gratuitous, when the word ‘spontaneous’ would work far better and not mislead. These voluntary offerings were a display of ‘good’ works, the ‘good’ part of the ‘good’ and evil make up of fallen man, and sometimes they were offerings that were given for a reason – there was a motive or an agenda.

In Ezra we find voluntary offerings being given towards helping with the construction of the Temple:

Ezra 1:4 (KJV) And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

As I have already stated, all these acts of generosity were acts of ‘goodness’ and therefore fall under the umbrella of the fallen condition, for man has the knowledge of ‘good’ and evil. This means these acts of giving offerings were not ‘freewill offerings’ they were fallen condition offerings, ‘spontaneous’ acts of ‘goodness’ within that fallen condition.

To decide between doing ‘good’ or evil is all part of the Devil’s deception, so that people like my complainant think free will is involved when deciding whether to do ‘good’ or not. Which ever thing we decide to do, the things we are doing are still the Devil’s will, not our own will, for it is all part and parcel of the fallen condition. There is no escape from it until we are born of God (born again).

John 8:32 (MCV) And ye shall know The Truth (Yashua Messiah), and The Truth (Yashua Messiah) shall make you free

John 8:36 (KJV) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

We need to get these verses into our heads, and written on our hearts, for they tell us plainly and simply that only Faith and belief in Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) can set us free, and thereby give us free will. And who gives us the ability to believe – Yashua Messiah Himself through The Father’s call, His will, not our will.

John 6:44 (MCV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw drag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

In addition to all I have said thus far, another excellent example of this ‘good’ issue is the British liberal reformers of the nineteenth century. They did all manner of what they thought were ‘good works’ and kind deeds and some of them were, indeed, good and kind works. They were kindly, well meaning people, and they chose’ to do these ‘good deeds’, but unless they were born of God (born again) these people’s actions and choices were still only do-gooding acts within the lost and fallen condition, just like the ‘spontaneous’ offerings in Leviticus.

If these reformers were not born of God (born again), their motive for doing ‘good’ was not for God’s Glory but, rather, for their own glory, and for the benefit of mankind. God was not in the picture, and that means His will was not in the picture either. So if God’s will was not involved in these do-gooding acts of kindness, whose will was it? Why, it was Satan’s will via man’s choices within the fallen condition, so it could not be a free will decision, any more than the so called free will offerings in Leviticus were. These were acts of ‘good’ emanating from men who had the knowledge of ‘good’ and evil – the fallen condition. Whatever man does, whether it be ‘good’ or evil, he is still a slave, a slave to sin, until he is born of God (born again) and he has no free will until that happens.

Ever heard the expression: “Only the good die young!?” Is it true? Well it’s my belief that if fallen people are too good in Satan’s eyes, he takes them out, because he hates them doing all their good deeds – or he hates them if they have a kind disposition and they love their neighbours on a daily basis. To Satan this is not the right kind of behaviour for someone in the fallen condition, for only the right kind of do-gooding is allowed = self-centred do-gooding, not selfless do-gooding.

I trust this will help you all (including my complainant) to come to a clearer understanding of the issue of fallen man’s ‘will’ for it is most definitely not free.

In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name

Messenger Charles

1. FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It?:

FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It?

Introduction

This is a three part series of articles (parts 1 and 2 here – see link No.7 below to part three) that I wrote several years ago, in April 2008 to be precise, and now edited and tweaked to bring them into line with my added knowledge. However, what I will say is that they needed very little in the way of tweaking in order to improve them, and bring them up to date, so what you see is pretty much the same as I wrote 14 years ago.

Well does he? because most of mainstream Christianity (the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion – see link No. 6 below) and certainly those outside of Christianity thinks he does? It’s one of those numerous blanket issues that the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion are very fond of and takes for granted, and without question.Sadly, nearly everything they believe is based on the traditions of men, or the teachings of men of religion – Hellenising philosophers and Judaisers alike, so it’s no wonder they don’t understand.

Mark 7:9 (KJV) And He said unto them, Full well ye reject The Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

So does fallen mankind have free will? Did he ever have free will? Did Adam and Eve, before they fell, have free will? Now these are very interesting questions, are they not? There are also some other questions that come out of these first questions: If Adam and Eve did have free will, did The Godhead take bets from the angels on which way they would turn, if so, where did They lay their bets off!!?? (Only joking) Furthermore, did the Godhead take a big risk and leave it all to chance, or was it an accidental flaw in their creation of Adam and Eve – a calamitous mistake?? If They did take a big risk or make a big mistake, we have to imagine They had a plan B or even a plan C, that They would quickly implement, in a state of panic, as a rear guard defensive manoeuvre in order to prop things up. Was that the case?

Was the fall of Adam and Eve something that took the Godhead by surprise? Was it a grand game of pot luck or lucky dip, or was it a case of: Did the Godhead plan to ‘fail’, for want of a better expression? Perhaps a better way of putting it would be: Did The Godhead create Adam and Eve knowing, in advance and full well, that they would fall at their first hurdle? Or, in other words, did the Godhead plan it the way it happened? OK, let’s see if we can answer these questions?

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (See link No. 1 below)

Take note, for the question of ‘free will’ is answered right here in this first Holy Scripture. It’s so simple, I cannot understand where this idea of man’s free will came from, unless it’s through non-belief in the whole Bible, brought about by the “New Testament Only” people. These are so-called Christians that think that the Old Testament should be deleted from what they call The Canon of Scripture, thus taking away Scriptures like the above that upset them.

Now as we can see, man was not asked if he would like to be created, he was not invited to a business meeting and his opinion and agreement sought!! Believe it or not, though, this is the very basis upon which many ‘Christians’ build their lives as ‘believers’, that is, God needs our co-operation in order to be a success!! LOL. This is why they say: “There is no way I can be saved unless ‘I’ accept a Jesus as my saviour,” never mind John 6:44:

John 6:44 (MCV) NO MANcan come to me, except the Father which hath sent me drawdrag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 6:65 (KJV) And He said, Therefore said I unto you, That NO MAN can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Look what Isaiah had to say on this matter:

Isaiah 29:16 (KJV) Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of Him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of Him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 64:8 (KJV) But now, O LORD, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our Potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

We are the clay, The Lord God (Yashua Messiah) is The Potter, and we are the work of the Lord’s hand, how unambiguous is that!!?? Just where does mankind’s will, free or otherwise, fit in to this scenario or arrangement? As we can plainly see, it doesn’t.

OK, the Garden of Eden scene is nearly complete, just one more character to add: enter The Serpent otherwise known as the Destroyer, or the Author of Ruin and the Author of Lies. He is also known as the Author of Confusion (miscegenation or mixed bloods – see link No. 2 below), Satan, the Adversary, the Devil; so many names but with only one purpose – to destroy or wipe mankind, especially non-Jewish White Semitic Israel, from the face of the earth, if he possibly can.

Why is he like that? Easy, God (Yashua Messiah) made him that way. If the Godhead had already planned for Adam and Eve to fall, how were They going to bring it about?

Genesis 3:1 (KJV)Now The Serpent was more subtle (devious, cunning or crafty) than any beast of the field which the LORD God HAD MADE.And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

There he is folks, that old serpent – the Devil whom God made. Now, should this revelation (apologies to those of you who already know this Truth) shock us? Well yes it should, if, like me in the past, you have always believed what men of religion have taught you, without questioning it. Make no mistake, I came from that very same fold, too, until Yashua Messiah set me free into His Glorious Light and Truth and under His Glorious Grace. So yes it should shock us, but then again after a further study of His Word, shock turns quickly to: Well I’ll be…..!! How did I ever miss that??

By ‘missing that’, I mean the sons of perdition like the Pharaoh who confronted Moses, and Judas Iscariot who betrayed Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ). In both cases the Godhead hardened the Pharaoh’s heart and Judas’ heart, not the Devil. OK, the Devil played his part in leading Judas astray, but that act of betrayal had to happen and someone had to do it in order for the Scriptures to be fulfilled. Notice, too, that Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) was prophesied to fulfil His mission before the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:8 (MCV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (Satan) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Exodus 7:2 (KJV) Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land. 3 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but The Son of Perdition (Judas); that The Scripture might be fulfilled.

Even before Adam and Eve were created The Lord was The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This means He and the Father God knew what was going to happen in the Garden of Eden before it happened. It had to happen the way it did in order that the Scriptures be fulfilled, God be glorified and Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) become the first and only begotten of The Father – God come in the flesh.

Here is an analogy that I now use to great effect: Mankind is like a prisoner and a prisoner can ‘choose’ to be a ‘good’ prisoner and win favour with the prison staff, or he can ‘choose’ to be an evil nasty prisoner, but either way he is still a prisoner with no freedom, so his ‘choices’ are a fantasy and, therefore, so is his imagined free will.

OK, so if man doesn’t have free will, what will does he have? Again that’s easy, he has rebellious will, stubborn will, a carnal will, but none of these wills are free, they’re controlled and manipulated by the one who led our parents astray in the first place – The Serpent – Satan – The Devil. Mankind can either do God’s will – but only after The Father has called him/her to His Son Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ), or Satan’s will. Mankind can have no other wills but these, and one will is bondage and captivity to sin, and the other is freedom from sin and death under His Glorious Grace.

It’s no good a man or woman saying “I don’t believe in the Devil – it’s all hogwash,” as that is all part of the Devil’s armoury anyway. To get people to think and say he doesn’t exist suits him just fine, and that viewpoint doesn’t make him go away and leave us alone, in fact it encourages him. This world (age) is his world (age) and he is the god of it, but not for much longer.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest The Light of The Glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So there we have it; mankind has no free will other than in his vain imaginations or fantasies.

Part 2 coming right up:

Messenger Charles

FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It? – Further Proof and Evidence That He Doesn’t.

For those of you who were not convinced or persuaded by my first article on this subject, I thought I would add to it with more proof and evidence. If you haven’t done so, it will help if you read my first article “Free will – Does Fallen Mankind Have It” before this one. Thank you.

As it happens, someone e-mailed me recently questioning my ‘claims’ that mankind does not have free will. As always, I will remind readers that The Truth is not something that is claimed, it is always something that is declared in confidence or preached as news – the Good News, and then either accepted or rejected. Now this man made his remarks based upon the idea that Paul reasoned with the Jews in the synagogues. Which he did not, please see my soon coming article: “Did The Apostle Paul Reason With The Jews In The Synagogues?” He then went on to say:

You claimed to refute the idea that Paul reasoned with the Jews, and implied that logical reasoning is evil and worldly. But I ask to you: if reason is evil, then why can Christians use it so effectively to minister to atheists?

Now here he is missing the point or points, because there is nothing wrong with reasoning, if it’s accompanied and guided by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but in too many cases it isn’t, and that includes the head knowledge men who translated the Holy Word of God into the English of the King James Bible. Now this head knowledge carnal reasoning is the problem, and yes it is evil if it’s applied to the Holy Word of God without the Holy Spirit. Finally he said:

However, I do believe that God can use the faculties He has given us to lead us to Himself.”

Here again, we see the mainstream Christian inability or the trinity blindness causing them to be unable to see the Father and The Son as two supreme beings, (see link No. 3 below) not one being, and this is precisely the issue. It’s the Father that leads us, not to Himself, but to His Son – Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) and no man or woman can come to Yashua Messiah unless The Father calls us:

John 6:44 (MCV) “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw drag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

By this, too, I trust you all understand that the act of salvation is not in the hands of man, but, rather, in the hands of The Father God alone and no one else. This is why the mainstream Christian slogans I have found Jesus” or I have made a decision for Jesus” or “I have accepted Jesus as my saviour” are not true, they’re just delusional lies. When The Father calls, the answer can only be as it was for Samuel and Jeremiah. In Samuel’s case it was a simple answer “Here am I”.

1 Samuel 3:4 (KJV) That the Lord called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.

In Jeremiah’s case it was predestination – Jeremiah was always going to be Jeremiah the prophet, come what may, so where was Jeremiah’s free will in this arrangement! It wasn’t, it wasn’t there at all, because Jeremiah didn’t have free will!

Jeremiah 1:4 (MCV) Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; and I bestowed upon thee the honour of being a prophet unto the nations.

He further said:

I know that you’re probably thinking that those people can’t see your truth because they are incapable of doing so. However, this denies the freewill that is the core of what it is to be human. After all, God “created man in His own image.” If we are created in God’s image (which I am sure you believe) and we lack free will, then that implies that God doesn’t have free will either.

Yes we were created in the image of the Godhead, but unfortunately this man has forgotten one catastrophic event – man’s fall from the benefits that came with being created in God’s image. As you know, man chose (and chose for the last time) to believe a liar instead of his Creator, who told him The Truth, always. Once man fell he lost any freedom he once had and became a slave to sin, and fell under the curse of death, and as a servant of the Devil. Again, as you must know slaves and servants just do as they are told, they have no freedom and certainly no freedom to choose, so they have no free will. We have to be set free in order to have free will.

The fallen and lost have a will, yes, but it’s not free because the only will they can perform is the Devil’s will, for he is the god of this world (age or its systems) and he deceives the whole world. Man is in a rebellious frame of mind, continually, against his Creator. Even if man does ‘good’, he is still in the overall fallen condition, for he has the knowledge of ‘good’ and evil within that fallen condition. This means he will sometimes do ‘good’ and sometimes do evil, but he is still fallen and in slavery and/or in bondage to sin.

John 8:32 (KJV) And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you free.

Freedom only comes with being born of God (born again). Anyone not born of God (born again) is not free, so therefore has no free will. If we say we have free will, what is this real freedom the Lord is referring to? Freedom is freedom you cannot have categories or stages of freedom, it’s either freedom or slavery to sin.

I do not make any claims, for The Truth is not something we claim, it is something we either have, or do not have, so we tell it like it is, that is, through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in order for Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) to make His home with us. Once this has occurred we can only speak The Truth. Claims are for Hellenising philosophers, Bible intellectuals and theologians who do not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Moreover, ‘Christians’ can minister to atheists until they are blue in the face, but unless the Father is calling those atheists they will remain atheists.

He further added:

At the end of your article, you said that those who claim that you were using reason to convince them of reason’s evil were in essence wrong, because they were using reasoning to do so. In doing so, you created a circular logic that comes across as “the only reasoning that is true is that which I declare to be true”–something that has turned many intelligent nonbelievers away from the Lord.”

My ‘reasoning’, as he calls it, only appears circular because reasoning without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can only be circular. This was the problem the first century Church had with Hellenising Greeks with their philosophers who infiltrated the Church and corrupted it with their non-gospel. Once born of God (born again) His Spirit joins our spirit and all our reasoning then points in a straight line to Him and is no longer circular.

Romans 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

It’s a Spiritual thing not a reason based logical thing, and this is where so many go wrong within mainstream Christianity (the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion).

He then says: “the only reasoning that is true is that which I declare to be true”–something that has turned many intelligent nonbelievers away from the Lord.”

Well this is clearly not true, for The Truth could never turn away anyone The Father is calling to His Son Yashua Messiah, and the response from a genuine newbie would be the complete opposite of what he is describing. This then tells us that the intellect in man is often a stumbling block, just like riches are usually a stumbling block for wealthy men. In fact the intellect is a form of riches.

He came back again:

Dear Messenger Charles,

Thank you for taking the time for e-mailing me back. While I still do not completely agree with you, especially on the point that persons without Christ do not have free will (if our will is not free, then God determines who will be saved and who won’t, which is against His plan for us, for “it is not God’s will that any should perish.”), it is good to know that you are not one of those people who considers himself above responding to people with honest questions.”

I thanked him for his reply and pointed out that, in part, he had answered his own queries.

He was right, it is not God’s will that any man should perish and that is precisely what will happen – God’s will, will happen. (See link No. 4 below) Is God all powerful or not!? God’s will is not our will, for His ways are not our ways (unless we are born of God (born again) which, if it is God’s will that is being done, it proves that our will is not in the picture – free or otherwise.

Yashua Messiah came and conquered death, so if any man dies and remains dead, that is, has not been a part of any resurrection, then He and the Father will have failed. Nothing is conquered completely if any fraction of it remains unconquered. Yashua Messiah did not come to this earth to partly conquer sin and death, He came to conquer it all completely, and He did!

With regards to his point about our ‘free will’ he had not understood the issue that it’s only being born of God (born again) that gives us free will. Adam and Eve lost their ‘free will’ – the first Adam. We are under the Grace of The Second Adam and have been restored to an even better position than the first Adam before he fell. We are, in effect, more free than the first Adam, so we have free will, if we are born of God, but the lost and unsaved do not have free will, for they are not born of God, and they can only do the Devil’s will – that is the fallen condition.

If we believe that the lost and unsaved have free will then by default we are saying that they have a say in whether they are saved or not. By default, you are saying man’s decision overrides or overrules The Father’s decision, and man has the power to control God’s will – ridiculous! This is a tail wagging the dog scenario of cataclysmic proportions that he is describing here, whichever way you look at it, and makes God look powerless. This, too, is the foundational flaw in all mainstream Christian denominational teaching, and it renders all adherents to it as believers in a non-gospel – which is not a gospel at all, as Paul graphically pointed out:

Galatians 1:6-7 (KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into The Grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Once we embark upon a spiritual journey of salvation based upon man’s decisions, or upon man’s authority, which, if it is our decision, then it must be based upon our authority, we then have a spiritual journey of Spiritual insecurity. This is why mainstream Christians are always questioning the validity of their salvation and, in turn, why they live lives of worry, fear, guilt and doubt about their place in Christ (see link No. 5 below). Why? I will tell you why, because it all started on a sandy foundation of their decision; based upon the myth of their free will; when all the while it is not their decision at all but, rather, The Father’s decision alone to call them and save them = 100% Spiritual security.

I told him, I hoped it would help him in his understanding and we parted on good terms, with him saying he thought I made some very interesting points. He said he would have to think long and hard on this subject. He thanked me again for being willing to sacrifice my precious time, so it was refreshing and encouraging to part amicably.

In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name

Messenger Charles

1. What is Soul Sleep and Do The Holy Scriptures Disprove It? (The Myth of The Immortal Soul) – Part 1 of 2:

2. Exposing The Lucifer Lie:

3. The Duality Godhead:

4. Why Are There Two Resurrections?:

5. Can Born Of God, Spirit Led, Christians Lose Their Salvation?:

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christianity; Eastern (Russian) Orthodoxy is NOT Christianity; Anglicanism is NOT Christianity; Protestantism is NOT Christianity.

6. The Counterfeit Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion:

7. FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It? Some Recent Objections:
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Isaiah 45:7 (MCV) I Make Peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I The Eternal Do All These Things!

Here is the complete verse:

Isaiah 45:7 (MCV) I Yashua Messiah form The Light, and create darkness: I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I The Eternal do all these [things].

Isaiah 45:7 (Septuagint Interlinear) I (Yashua Messiah) [am] The One carefully preparing light, and I made darkness; and The One making peace, and [The One] creating bad [things]. I [am] [the] Lord God, The One doing all these [things]. (Round brackets mine)

Isaiah 45:7 (Septuagint Brenton) I (Yashua Messiah) am He that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things. (Brackets mine)

I have included the two Septuagint translations, just to firm up the narrative and to remove any doubts you may have regarding the Masoretic Hebrew text.

Now this is a very controversial subject for some, that is, liberal luvvy-duvvy Cultural Jew Marxists that, in these last days, pose as Christians and proliferate mainstream Christianity (the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion) in their thousands. These politically driven, deluded, liberal imposters get very upset when the subject matter of this verse gets aired, for it goes against much of what they stand for and believe.

Now this is because it doesn’t sit well with their preconceived ideas of who The Father is, or who Yashua Messiah is. You see, they don’t really know The Godhead at all, nor do they know what They are about. They therefore know nothing about The Godhead’s real plans, that is, what things they originally brought about, or put into being, in order that Their plans should be and would be accomplished and brought to fruition.

Moreover, this is a verse that gets their explaining away engines working flat out and doing much over time, to make sure that their liberal lemming followers are not offended or upset. This means we get guff like this from the ‘Got Questions?” web page:

God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.”

In this short paragraph we can see how they are immediately offended by the idea that God does create evil, and has created evil, and He did that so that evil entered into the world, so that Yashua Messiah would be crucified and killed for us, so that we could have Eternal Life and reside with Him forever in The Kingdom of God. This means they never stop and ask this simple question – If there was no evil in the world how could Yashua Messiah have been crucified and murdered?

Notice, too, the old ‘free will’ nutmeg that they always stumble over when explaining The Truth away, as in the above paragraph.

Ephesians 1:3-4 (MCV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all Spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According AS HE HATH CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be Holy (separate) and without blame (sinless) before Him in love:

He did not want robots! he says. LOL. Well that’s exactly what we are or were = Satan’s Robots!!! Until The Father intervened in our lives and called us to His Son.

Revelation 13:8 (KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names are not written in The Book of Life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

Furthermore, if we, as lost and fallen creatures, have free will, why would The Father have chosen us from before the foundation of the world? What say do we have in this scenario? I’ll tell you, NONE! ZILCH! ZERO!

So back to the paragraph and his idea that: “God ALLOWED for the POSSIBILITY of EVIL!” Really!? So it was all a game of ‘Hit and Miss’ was it? How does anyone ever believe this satanic gumpf? Well, He has sent them STRONG DELUSION so this must be a perfect example of it, for these duped fake Christians do believe it.

From the CARM web page:

Does God create evil? Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. No, God does not create ontological evil. He creates calamity which is sometimes translated as ‘evil.’”

Amos 3:6 (KJV) Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Now with this joker we can see a pathetic attempt at trying to counter Isaiah 45:7 by using Amos 3:6, when these are two very different cases using the word ‘evil’. Isaiah 45:7 is no way referring to a calamitous event, for it opens with the subject matter of ‘light and darkness’ and any believer half switched on will know exactly what is being inferred here. If you’re still in the dark (like the pun?) let’s shed some light on it.

1 Peter 2:9 (MCV) But ye are a Chosen Offspring, a Royal Priesthood, an Holy Nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light.

This is the light and darkness that Isaiah is referring to, so we’re dealing with the subject of sin and wickedness, not calamitous events and it is God Himself that created it. So how did He create it? Let’s go to Genesis to find out:

Genesis 3:1 (MCV) (First Part) Now The Serpent was more subtil (sly, devious and crafty) than any beast of the field which The Eternal HAD MADE.

Genesis 3:1 (Septuagint Interlinear) (First part) But The Serpent was most skilled {read into that negatively what you will} of all the wild beasts of the ones upon the earth whom [made [the] Lord God.]

Genesis 3:1 (Septuagint Brenton) (First part) Now The Serpent was the most crafty of all the brutes on the earth, which the Lord God made.

And there we have it – Yashua Messiah created evil in The Serpent from the beginning. Satan was never a fallen angel, nor a cherub, (see link Nos. 1 and 2 below). He was a beast of the field, albeit with certain spiritual powers, created evil by Yashua Messiah, from the beginning, and placed in The Garden.

This is how sin entered into the world and all as a part of the Godhead’s plan = no hit and miss, no uncertainty and definitely NO FREE WILL!!

In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name

Messenger Charles

1. Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?:

2. Exposing The Lucifer Lie: