John 8:37 “I KNOW THAT YE ARE ABRAHAM’S SEED; But Ye Seek To Kill Me….

….for my Word hath no place in you.”

Please note: Before reading this article I do recommend that you read my articles entitled:

1. Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?:

2. Were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, Jews? – The Beginning:

3. The Scriptural Origins of the Royal Judahites and Canaanite Jews explained:

4. Was Yashua Messiah (The Lord Jesus Christ) A Racist? – Yashua Messiah and A Canaanite Woman He Called A Dog:

Right, here we go and some more boat rocking to trouble those PC Cultural Marxist Liberals out there posing as Christians who cannot swim Spiritually or swim literally on this topic and, of course, those who believe blindly in their alleged inerrant King James Bible.

Now John 8:37 is one of those verses that has been niggling at me for some time. The reason being is that I can’t square it at all with the verses that follow in John 8:38-39 where Yashua Messiah says and I quote: “If ye were Abraham’s children (seed – offspring), ye would do the works of Abraham.” Here is the whole passage:

John 8:38-39 (KJV) I speak that which I have seen with MY FATHER: and ye do that which ye have seen with YOUR FATHER. 39 They answered and said unto Him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

So what have we got here? Well, in John 8:37 as written in the KJV we have Yashua Messiah saying that HE KNOWS they are Abraham’s SEED (offspring) and then two verses later He’s questioning and doubting very much that they are Abraham’s CHILDREN. I mean, come on, are Abraham’s children, Abraham’s seed or not? Is Yashua Messiah unsure? Is He into contradicting Himself? Is He hedging His bets? LOL. NO, a thousand times NO!!! So what gives? All will be revealed.

Now before we move on, we have to deal with the ‘literal and the Spiritual’ dimensions involved within these verses, because most of those within the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion will tell you straight and, in no uncertain pompous terms, that these verses of John 8 are Spiritual only. This means that, to them, these Canaanite Jews are definitely Abraham’s seed and they are also his children, but have failed Spiritually and in terms of their sinful natures alone, in rejecting Yashua Messiah and in seeking to kill Him, and not through any inbred racial hatred, jealousy or in any literal sense.

To put it another way the Cainite-Judeo-Christian religion thinks that The Devil just tempted these Canaanite Jews and led them astray and in the main they are really nice guys and even redeemable – coughing, spluttering and much mirth here for the author.

Again, they will say that Yashua Messiah was speaking on a Spiritual level only. This is done by them so as not to rock any Canaanite Jewish boats or any pro-Jewish, Zionist Christian (shabbos goy), PC Cultural Marxist, liberal Christian boats out there that now float openly with flags flying high on Roman Catholic high sea (See) lanes and, especially, in AngliCAIN, Episcopalian and other liberal progressive Protestant denominational waters.

Let’s be clear, there is no way any racist offence can be caused to the Canaanite Jews or these wretched religious progressive liberal types by quoting these Set Apart Scriptures with a racial or physical slant, so the literal dimension has to be venomously denied and completely written out of the script. Orwell’s Winston Smith is very much alive within the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion.

OK, having dealt with the above important issues, we can now move on to the rub of this article and attempt to eradicate the obvious contradiction that has been written in by the translators in order to appease the treacherous liberals in their midst and the Canaanite Jews and let them off the racial hook and the blame hook.

Moreover, let’s recap, for we are told that Yashua Messiah allegedly said this: “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed,” but were they Abraham’s seed? NO is the answer to this, so why did Yashua Messiah allegedly say that they were? Not only that, but also contradict Himself more than once. First He says: “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.” Then later He says:

John 8:44 (MCV) Ye Jews are of YOUR FATHER The Devil, and the lusts of YOUR FATHER ye will do. He (Cain) was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in The Truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So if, as is written in the KJV, they were of Abraham’s seed, was Abraham of The Devil? Was The Devil, through Cain, Abraham’s father? Was he a murderer from the beginning? Was Abraham a liar and the father of lies? No way, so are you beginning to see The Light?

Furthermore, who was the murderer from the beginning? The Devil’s son CAIN through Eve was the murderer from the beginning. Now ask yourselves this question: With this 100% evil genealogy, how on earth could these creatures be Abraham’s seed or his children?

1 John 3:12 (MCV) Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one (literal progeny), and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

Now, first and foremost, are we dealing with just a Spiritual dimension here or a physical racial literal dimension too? If you have read my foundational and complimentary articles to this article (links above) you will know. This means we are dealing with a racial and literal situation when Yashua Messiah said these things to the Canaanite Jews. He was telling them in no uncertain terms who they were and what their satanic racial origins were. Elsewhere He said:

Matthew 12:34 (MCV) O generation (race) of vipers (snakes – serpent creatures – hu-man beings from The Garden), how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

From Strong’s Concordance:

Generation – G1081 – gennēma – ghen’-nay-mah. From G1080; offspring; by analogy produce (literally or figuratively): – fruit, generation.

So with that in mind, how could Yashua Messiah have said: “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed” when He knew very well that The Truth was the exact opposite? And they were not Abraham’s seed at all, they were Cain’s seed via Canaan post-flood.

These demonic wretches were the descendants of Bathshuah, the Adullamite Canaanite’s daughter, who gave birth to Er, Onan (both killed by Yashua Messiah) and finally Shelah. (See Genesis 38) Yes, they were of Judah, but his seed did not count in this relationship as it was sinful and rebellious. His seed only counted with Tamar who was of Abrahamic blood and who gave birth to Pharez (forefather of King David and Yashua Messiah) and Zarah of the Red Hand to British Royalty. These twin sons were Royal Judahites and Israelites, not Canaanite Jews. Shelah was the Canaanite forefather of the Canaanite Jews.

Moving on we now come back to John 8:37 and what Yashua Messiah really said to these blood lusting murderous snakes ‘cos it wasn’t “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed” because we now know that it wasn’t true. So what did Yashua Messiah really say:

John 8:37 “I know that YOU SAY you are Abraham’s seed, but you seek to kill me, for my Word hath no place in you.”

Notice how this verse now makes complete sense, and no longer causes any niggles or contradictions. Notice, too, how easy it was to corrupt by just leaving out those two crucial words. And there is another crucial element that we must NEVER forget. The Canaanite Jews were and still are born liars – lying comes first nature to them, and we can see where they also lie to Yashua Messiah in this short exchange of words:

John 8:40-41 (MCV) But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you The Truth, which I have heard of Yah: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of YOUR FATHER. Then said they to Him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Now please pay attention, for these verses are huge in terms of revelation. Notice, for here we can see Yashua Messiah once more referencing Abraham, followed sharply with Him telling them that they do the deeds of their father and that their father is not Abraham. So how could they be Abraham’s seed!!??

Then we have them desperately denying they were born of fornication, but what fornication could this be and why did they introduce the subject of fornication into the conversation? Well we know why don’t we: 1) The fornication of Eve with The Devil producing Cain. 2) The incestuous fornication of Ham with his mother Naamah producing Canaan and the illicit inter-racial (miscegenation) union of Judah with the Adullamite’s Canaanite daughter which gave birth to their Canaanite Jew forefather Shelah.

This means that their claim to being not born of fornication was a blatant lie and proving yet again as Yashua Messiah truthfully stated that: “His Word had no place in them.”


Since the writing of the above article another issue has come to light having been introduced to me by yet another blasphemer who pathetically tried to argue against my article listed above entitled “Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?”

He deviously pointed out John 8:56 in a feeble effort to make a last ditch attempt against The Truth that TWO SEEDS came out of The Garden and not one seed as he stupidly and ignorantly claimed. OK so here’s the verse in question:

John 8:56 (MCV) [Your father] Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (The Two words ‘your father’ removed using square brackets)

So what do we have here? Is this Yashua Messiah having another memory relapse? Or is it premature dementia creeping up on our 30 year old Master and Saviour? From what I have already revealed above what does this verse constitute? Could it be yet another corruption by the translators or even a forgery of the Greek MSS as in John 8:37?

Look folks, we need to be aware that these words are in the Greek MSS. However, if they are words that are creating an obvious contradiction then we have to be suspicious of their provenance. We cannot go blindly on making out there is not a problem when clearly there is, for that is delusional behaviour.

OK so let’s introduce some more evidence to prove that these words ARE corruptions:

John 8:54 (MCV) Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your Yah:

Notice those crucial words in John 8:54 as uttered by Yashua Messiah: “OF WHOM YE SAY” which were deliberately omitted in John 8:37 hence I put them back in:

John 8:37 (MCV) “I know that YOU SAY you are Abraham’s seed, but you seek to kill me, for my Word hath no place in you.”

How do I know they were deliberately omitted? Quite simply because Abraham was a man of Yah, both Spiritually and physically, he being a son of Adam, a son of man and a son of Shem, not a son of the serpent creature via Cain and Canaan! This means Abraham was NOT a Canaanite Jew!

So what are you trying to say I hear you ask? I am saying loud and clear that their claim to be of Yah was a lie, just as it was a lie to claim that they were Abraham’s SEED! The only difference being someone had forged Greek manuscripts TWICE in order to make a LIE! I say twice because we now have the same corruption here in John 8:56:

John 8:56 (MCV) [Your father] Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

So what is the correct translation? Well it’s either:

John 8:56 Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

That’s without the two bogus words “Your father”


John 8:56 You claim that Abraham is your father and yet Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

This version I prefer, but the other version is most likely The Truth.

So there we have it, yet another corruption in the KJV revealed. I wonder how many more I will find? Stick around peeps and you soon find out!

In Yashua Messiah’s Set Apart name

Messenger Charles