Father Forgive Them FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO – Yet Again, Oh Really, Is That So!!??

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: I am currently publishing my version of The Set Apart Scriptures – The MCV Bible, link here: https://thetruthnotdoctrine.wordpress.com


I would like, first, to apologise to any readers of my articles who may have read the above verse of Set Apart Scripture elsewhere, and understood it to be true as written in the KJV, as did I, until I was corrected by another believer recently. I wish to thank him now for doing so, because, for me, to carry on accepting this verse as written would have been a catastrophic mistake. I have corrected one of my articles already and will search out the others and rectify those too. This, too, is partly my fault, because I should have checked this verse in the Greek Manuscripts, where it reads quite differently from the KJV – now there’s a surprise! NOT!

Right! let’s be clear, for this issue is of paramount importance in terms of its repercussions, for Yashua Messiah is now even more unlike the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religious portrayals of what they claim He was like, that is, a weak, long haired, limp-wristed effeminate fop.

I have written other articles, too, covering this issue in detail, (see link Nos. 1, 2 and 3 below) in order to remove Yashua Messiah’s (Jesus Christ’s) name from the preconceived and perverted ideas of what the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion (see link No. 4 below) has erroneously thought and taught He was like. This they have done down through the centuries to keep their deluded lemmings following them, and their satanic religion, instead of simply following an ALL POWERFUL and LIVING Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) alone and without any RELIGION.

However, this verse, that is, Luke 23:34, has a deceptive dimension all of its own and the satanic mistranslation of it carries consequences of cataclysmic proportions all across Christendom. Moreover, when we evaluate it in The Light of the whole thrust of His, Kingdom of Yah, Gospel message it changes everything we have previously believed to be true. In fact, this issue has direct connections with the original sin in the Garden of Eden (see link No. 5 below)

Now, as many of you will already know, I always teach, and have always taught, that our Yahhead is a merciful, all loving and all forgiving, Yahhead. So don’t get me wrong, for They are, but the correct translation of this verse tells us that there were some people whom Yashua Messiah asked His Father not to forgive. So, without further ado, let’s copy out Luke 23:34 as it is written in the KJV, then from the Greek MSS transliteral and also from the Aramaic Peshitta:

Luke 23:34 (KJV) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Luke 23:34 (Greek MSS transliteral) The yet Jesus said Father from-let (forgive you) to-them not for they have perceived (they are aware) any (what) they are doing being-through-parted (dividing) yet the garments of Him they cast (past) lots.

Luke 23:34 (Aramaic Peshitta) Father forgive them not for they do know what they are doing.

And They Parted His Raiment, And Cast Lots

Now, how about that for a staggering revelation, and what questions does it raise in terms of what we have previously understood this Set Apart Scripture to mean? How many Scriptural points does it turn upside down? So let’s analyse one or two of the more important factors that come out of the true rendering of this verse.

Well, the first thing is, why did the translators pervert The Truth in this way and what were they trying to hide? What, too, was their agenda on this issue, and who were they trying to protect or deflect negative attention from? Who, in particular, was Yashua Messiah asking the Father not to forgive? Was it the Pharisee Canaanite Jews, was it the Romans, was it both or was it all of us, for we all, metaphorically, murdered Yashua Messiah, and are all in need of His redemptive sacrifice, and His life giving resurrection, symbolised by Baptism in the watery grave and the laying on of hands to receive The Set Apart Exclusive Spirit as we emerge from that watery grave (see link No. 6 below).

However, the points here are these:

1) We know Yashua Messiah came to save those the Father was going to call to Him – the predestined and/or The Elect – those called and chosen Set Apart ones. So this statement does not apply to them, but what about all the rest of mankind? (see link No. 7 below)

2) Crucially, we also know that there can be no forgiveness of any sin without repentance:

Luke 17:3 (MCV) Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, (changes his behaviour) forgive him.

With the above Set Apart Scripture in mind, just look at the attitude of those Yashua Messiah is supposed to be asking the Father to forgive: “And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.” Any signs of repentance in this behaviour? How have we missed this blatantly evil and satanic contemptuous point for all of this time? These callous evil men couldn’t have cared less about what they had just done to The Father’s first and only begotten Son – the King of kings and Our Yahavah Yashua Messiah and Saviour. Let’s be clear about this very important point – no repentance = no forgiveness.

3) OK, we have now narrowed it down to a very select number of people, but who are these people? Easy, just ask yourself, who most wanted Yashua Messiah dead and out of the way? Who saw Him as a very dangerous Spiritual, political and commercial threat to their system and way of life? Who had Yashua Messiah upset the most? Again, that’s easy to answer; the men of the Canaanite Jewish religion – The Serpent Seed Pharisee Jews and the men of money and commerce, the Canaanite Jewish usurers, those whose tables Yashua Messiah overturned in the Temple forecourt. In other words, the whole stinking rotten and corrupt Roman/Canaanite Jewish theocratic, political, financial edifice – The Babylonian Beast Money Empire and The Babylonian Whorish Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion. Yashua Messiah had found them out and had revealed them for what they were – corrupt, usurious, greedy, thieving, lying, murderous sons of The Adversary, both physical and spiritual.

Moreover, in order to get the full understanding of this we must begin see this issue as both a spiritual thing, and a physical thing. Both the spiritual dimension and the physical dimension are timeless and because they are timeless they do two things: 1) they take us back to the beginning with Adam and Eve and with Eve and The Serpent Creature in The Garden who produced Cain (see link No. 5 below) and 2) they enable us to go forward in time to question why the translators of the King James Bible, in the early 17th century, would go to all the trouble of changing this verse of Set Apart Scripture? As I stated earlier, who were they trying to protect, the Pharisee Canaanite Jewish reputation, or the evil Roman Empire’s reputation? Well obviously it’s both.

Could it also be that the act of tampering with this verse was as if the translators were very aware that the spiritual and physical descendants of the perpetrators of the most heinous crime in the history of mankind were still around? Yes, of course. We need, too, to understand that these illegitimates were still active 1,600 years after the event when the KJV was translated and, make no mistake, they are most definitely still active amongst us today.

So who are these 21st century spiritual and physical representatives and descendants of those 1st century murdering criminals that Yashua Messiah asked the Father not to forgive? Well you know, don’t you? Well you will if you’re a regular reader of my articles? These modern representatives are the Canaanite Jews (non-Israelites) of the usurious Fractional Reserve Banking system and the Whore of Babylon, the Mother of Harlots in Rome – The Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion. These are the two groups of people which constitute the Synagogue of Satan that Yashua Messiah mentions in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

Revelation 2:9 (MCV) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judean Israelites, and are not, but are Canaanite Jews of The Synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 (MCV) Behold, I will make them of The Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Judean Israelites, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

These are the people who are not forgiven and remain unforgiven to this day and that’s why He will burn them (The Tares) when He returns to this earth. Now can you see the significance of Yashua Messiah’s statement and how it applies to these people, for they both think they are King Bees and top of the heap? One group thinks they Yah’s chosen people, when they are not, and the other thinks they are Christ’s Church with a so called Vicar of Christ at the head. This, my friends, is the rotten edifice that Yashua Messiah is coming to destroy and wipe from the face of the earth like chaff blown away from the threshing floor.

Daniel 2:31-35 (MCV) Thou, O king, saw, and behold A Great Image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a Stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and The Stone that smote the image became a great mountain (Kingdom), and filled the whole earth.

Here in the above Set Apart Scriptures in verses 33-35 we can see how The Clay – the Canaanite Jews and The Iron – the evil Roman Empire are mingled together which, in turn, weakens Nebuchadnezzar’s Image by making it very brittle and when struck by The Stone (Yashua Messiah) hewn without hands, it smashes the image into dust-like particles that blow away on the wind never to be seen again. Yahavah Yashua Messiah please hurry that day.

In Yashua Messiah’s Set Apart name

Messenger Charles

1. Was Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) A Long Haired Effeminate Looking Wimp? – Part 1:                                              https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/was-yashua-anointed-the-lord-jesus-christ-a-long-haired-effeminate-looking-wimp-part-1/

2. Was Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) A Long Haired Effeminate Looking Wimp – Part 2:                                   https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/2021/10/06/was-yahsua-messiah-the-lord-jesus-christ-a-long-haired-effeminate-looking-wimp-part-2/

3. Was Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) A Long Haired Effeminate Looking Wimp – Part 3:                                   https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/was-yashua-messiah-the-lord-jesus-christ-a-long-haired-effeminate-looking-wimp-part-3/

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christianity; Eastern (Russian & Greek) Orthodoxy is NOT Christianity; AngliCAINism is NOT Christianity; PROTESTantism is NOT Christianity.

4. The Counterfeit Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion: https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/2017/05/26/the-cainite-judeo-christian-religion/

5. Did Eve Have Sex With The Devil or Did She Just Eat Some Fruit?: https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/did-eve-have-sex-with-the-devil-or-did-she-just-eat-some-fruit-part-1/

6. Understanding The Crucial Importance of Baptism Including What Baptism Is Not!: https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/understanding-the-crucial-importance-of-baptism-including-what-baptism-is-not/

7. Why Are There Two Resurrections?: https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/2019/08/13/why-are-there-two-resurrections-part-1/

18 thoughts on “Father Forgive Them FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO – Yet Again, Oh Really, Is That So!!??

  1. Hello, just wanted to say hello, I was wondering who you are, as I cannot find your name anywhere and have so far not found any comments on your articles, there probably are some, but I have not read them all yet. So am sending this comment to encourage you. I can relate to your distrust of some verses in scripture and using the KJV with Greek and Hebrew. The confusion and chaos these lies cause leads me at times to pure fear and panic, because I know how strong The Lord is against those who lead His sheep astray for He knows how damaging these liars are to His chosen and all mankind. Now I am in this ‘horror-movie’ world and I hate it here, nothing about it is real anymore, it’s all a pack of lies, everyday is a sick shock to the system, I know myself I could not survive or endure without Yeshu/Jesus, I’m clinging on everyday, looking forward to the time when He separates the ‘wheat from the tares’ and praying to do His will. I have already been separated fom this world, I have a better understanding now about being saved, as I know what the world is and want no part of it, Well I could go on, but I won’t……………I like the fact that you admit when you don’t fully understand something or suspect that there may be an error, when one has been told a lie and lies for such a long time it’s a real shock to the system.


    5 Thomas said unto Him, Lord we know not whither thou goest;, and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him. I am The Way The Truth and The Life; no man cometh unto The Father, but by Me.

    • Hello Rita,

      Many thanks for your comment and encouragement. I go by the name of Brother Charles, my body is located in the UK and I have been teaching since about 2002. I was called by The Father many years before that, but got caught up in a lot of religious foolishness (as we do) until I set myself free in 2002.

      My wife and I have been on our own with Yashua Messiah since then.

      We relate 100% to your views on the world – the system and can fully empathise. It’s just a matter of staying with it until the end and He will carry us through the tough times. Have no fear, for He will remain strong in you and you will keep The Faith, of that there is no doubt.

      Thanks again for your contribution.

  2. Hi. My wife and I (including our children) fully understand the lies that are being taught in the church. We have trouble everywhere we go. The Bible states that we receive a blessing for fellowship with like minded people. The trouble is finding likeminded people. We are in need of support and friendship as we feel totally alone and can trust no one. Any advice would be helpful.

    • Hi Stephen,

      Ah you have come to the same crossroads in your Spiritual journey that my wife and I came to in 1999.

      There’s no gentle way of putting this – you are on your own and must carve your own path WITH YASHUA MESSIAH, (Jesus Christ) so you are not really alone at all.

      I always use the example of Elijah who was on his own as well and was not even aware of the 7,000 others that belonged to The Lord and who had not bowed their knees to Baal.

      From this I have always presumed that there is a ‘7,000’ for this day and age, but I have no idea who they are or where they are, but I know they exist for He said He would build His congregation of called out ones – The Ekklesia.

      We are in the UK, whereabouts are you located?

      Thanks for your comment.

  3. Thanks for your speedy reply. We are also in the UK.
    We are not adverse to travelling to conferences and seminars, so if you have anything coming up, please let us know. Also you now have my email address for private(ish) conversations.

    • Hi Stephen,

      I don’t do seminars or conferences – if there were the numbers I would. Everything I do you see here and I write for Ezine Articles also, but those articles I am now editing and posting here as the Google algorithim thing has played havoc – wiped out – the viewings I now get there.

  4. So where do you fellowship, if you do. Also is there any chance we could meet up for some likeminded discussions.

    • You must forgive me but you’re a complete stranger to me so I think we need to get to know one another a little better before we plan on a meeting or even e-mails.

      You say you need support, so in what way do you think I could be a support? I would be happy to do so but need to know what you mean by support?

      Perhaps a little about your background in mainstream Christianity (churchianity) and whether you’re baptised (full immersion). Which denominations? How long have you been a believer?

      Are you familiar with my teaching on being called by The Father as opposed to accepting a ‘Jesus’ as your saviour?

      Then there is the trinity – do you believe in that – or are you a monotheist?

      Quite a few things there if you could clarify.

  5. Hiya everyone. it’s me again…….Just wondering where some of us are located in the UK…..hope we are part of the scattered sheep. which He says He will gather, so I guess we are meant to be alone for now, until He brings us together. I am living on the Isle of Wight, by the way. May Yahweh bless us all and His will be done,

  6. Hi. I can understand your being careful. I can answer the question for myself, but my wife would rather talk for herself. I was brought up c of e. Went off rails for a bit, then came back to Christ. It is only Him that kept me alive through some situations. we have not followed the world in easter, Christmas or valentines day for about four years. It is actually a release to know the truth about these pagan rituals. We have an awareness of the losses due to translation of God’s word. We wanted to do a course in biblical hebrew and Greek, but due to circumstances were unable to afford it. Both my wife and myself were led separately to the same course so know It was Gods leading. We are both baptised, full immersion. We know that we cannot become members of any church as we cannot accept their teachings. We understand that God calls people and we need to respond to that calling. We undertake spiritual warfare on a regular basis as we live in a very demonic area. We have read your teachings on the trinity which makes sense. We also test the spirit, that it lines up with the word of God.
    In regards to support it is just a case of understanding that we are not alone in this knowledge, as most people don’t seem to want to know the truth. We try to share it, but it doesn’t make any impact. We need likeminded people we can discuss fresh revelations with.
    Some things are hard to take, due to inoculation in younger years, but we are always wanting the full truth, not the part truth that is deception from church.

    • Hi Stephen,

      I too was raised in the C of E. What a wretched institution that now is – I despair at times when I think of how they bring The Lord’s name into shame and disrepute.

      I wasn’t aware that the C of E did full immersion Baptism or did you attend another denomination when you came back to Christ?

      Was your Baptism into the trinity or into Yashua Messiah’s (Jesus Christ’s) name alone? I ask this because it should be into His name alone. When I learned this, my wife and I re-Baptised each other correctly into His name alone.

      Details here:


      Re Hebrew and Greek there are online courses, but I suppose you have already looked at those.

      When you say “Spiritual warfare,” what do you mean exactly?

      You can rest assured that you are not alone, but it’s as I said re Elijah, we don’t know who they are or where they are.

      I know it’s hard when you have been used to fellowship – we found it very difficult to begin with, but you do get used to it in time especially if you focus on The Truth that your Spiritual welfare comes first and that is your prime responsibility. As someone once said to me a long time ago: “You cannot enter The Kingdom of God hanging onto the coat tails of another believer.”

      Re making an impact – no way. Read these Scriptures and keep reading them until they are fully internalised:

      Matthew 13:10-16 (KJV) And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, (grown fat and lazy) and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. (Brackets mine)

      As it was in the first century so it is today – their hearts have grown fat and lazy – they cannot hear and they cannot see – but blessed are your ears and your eyes because YOU can hear and see.

      Yes indoctrination takes time to unlearn so you MUST be patient with yourselves and don’t put pressure upon yourselves – HIS YOKE IS LIGHT, NOT HEAVY and you now have eternity to sort things out. However one thing is for sure there is no salvation in the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion.

      Best to you and yours

      Brother Charles

  7. Aramaic word order requires it to be translated to “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” The “not” comes before the verb it modifies.

  8. Hi, I am Greek and the ancient Greek version is nothing like the ‘modern’ Greek version which of course was tampered to worship you know who. My humble opinion is that Jesus said this line about the low rank Roman soldiers (or other workers that were forced to put the nails and cross up) who were following orders to do the act while the real culprits stood by watching and taking the vow to have this burden of this act carry over in their bloodlines.

    • Agreed, Koine Greek was the basic Greek of the day. Oh yes the real culprits were always The Serpent Seed Jews as He made plain here to Pilate:

      John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My Kingdom is not of this world: if my Kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS: but now is my Kingdom not from hence.

  9. Hi again, I’m writing my third message 😊.. It’s @ 4am here in Canada, I am originally from the UK, Jesus rescued me from my dark pit just over 35 years ago and it’s been quite a journey… I came across your website from a Jay Dyer video I was watching, you posted a comment I felt so passionate about, I felt prompted to try find you?..I Thank God! Because you have confirmed so much of what I personally believe but isn’t talked about?
    I mentioned in my other post, I am quite isolated but that means the Lord sets me aside to be able to research, pray etc…I also come from a background of child abandonment, sexual abuse, torture, later abuse, addiction, trauma etc into my early adult life…God set me free and used all that for His Good 😊…
    One question I have is linked with this post?… As part of my healing many years ago…Forgiven of my abusers, rapists etc was Very important obviously, God Always expects us to do say…just as we are forgiven?
    I have worked with others in ministry, been exposed to terrible evils etc, I normally can ” see behind the behavior” ..So I can forgive” actually fairly easily?
    However recently, I have been investigating some of the Human sacrifice and paedophile of the Elite Luciferians etc …uncovered some depraved footage against certain people, Podesta, H.Clinton, etc…when I go to try to ” forgive ” them.. I feel ” sick” and a ” block”… I thought it was my resistance and judgement getting in the way, because we are told in scripture to ” forgive”…. This scripture ” Forgive them for they know not what they do” …is exactly the one I’ve been trying to use … In my ” will”… And I keep getting back. ” They know exactly what they’re doing?”…
    I know you’re Not God… LOL… So don’t mean to put you ” on the spot” … I’d just really appreciate any biblical advice? Since this scripture it seems is not what Jesus actually said, so are there certain people God does not want us to ” forgive”?
    I obviously want to follow Jesus’ example ❤️
    Many Thanks,
    Sarah ( Sahjanna)

    • Correct, He never said that, otherwise He would have been contradicting Himself, for earlier in His mission He plainly taught that without repentance there should be no forgiveness:

      Luke 17:3 (MCV) Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent (changes his behaviour), forgive him.

      So those who sin against us we are to rebuke, that is, tell them off in no uncertain terms, and then IF they change their ways forgive them. If they refuse to change their ways then leave them unforgiven.

      Fakestream Christians muddy the waters with this by confusing it with loving our enemies. We can love our enemies, that is, be kind to them and not seek revenge, but at the same time without forgiving them.

      Be sure that the people that did you harm will fall into His hands in the Resurrection and will be punished severely, so HE will not forgive them. He will if they repent after His punishment.

      So my view on this scenario is that if Yashua Messiah has not forgiven them, then who are we to forgive when He has not. Perhaps He was telling you something when you felt sick and a block to what you were doing.

      Many thanks for your informative comment.

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