This is a three part series of articles (parts 1 and 2 here – see link No.7 below to part three) that I wrote several years ago, in April 2008 to be precise, and now edited and tweaked to bring them into line with my added knowledge. However, what I will say is that they needed very little in the way of tweaking in order to improve them, and bring them up to date, so what you see is pretty much the same as I wrote 14 years ago.
Well does he? because most of mainstream Christianity (the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion – see link No. 6 below) and certainly those outside of Christianity thinks he does? It’s one of those numerous blanket issues that the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion are very fond of and takes for granted, and without question.Sadly, nearly everything they believe is based on the traditions of men, or the teachings of men of religion – Hellenising philosophers and Judaisers alike, so it’s no wonder they don’t understand.
Mark 7:9 (KJV) And He said unto them, Full well ye reject The Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
So does fallen mankind have free will? Did he ever have free will? Did Adam and Eve, before they fell, have free will? Now these are very interesting questions, are they not? There are also some other questions that come out of these first questions: If Adam and Eve did have free will, did The Godhead take bets from the angels on which way they would turn, if so, where did They lay their bets off!!?? (Only joking) Furthermore, did the Godhead take a big risk and leave it all to chance, or was it an accidental flaw in their creation of Adam and Eve – a calamitous mistake?? If They did take a big risk or make a big mistake, we have to imagine They had a plan B or even a plan C, that They would quickly implement, in a state of panic, as a rear guard defensive manoeuvre in order to prop things up. Was that the case?
Was the fall of Adam and Eve something that took the Godhead by surprise? Was it a grand game of pot luck or lucky dip, or was it a case of: Did the Godhead plan to ‘fail’, for want of a better expression? Perhaps a better way of putting it would be: Did The Godhead create Adam and Eve knowing, in advance and full well, that they would fall at their first hurdle? Or, in other words, did the Godhead plan it the way it happened? OK, let’s see if we can answer these questions?
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (See link No. 1 below)
Take note, for the question of ‘free will’ is answered right here in this first Holy Scripture. It’s so simple, I cannot understand where this idea of man’s free will came from, unless it’s through non-belief in the whole Bible, brought about by the “New Testament Only” people. These are so-called Christians that think that the Old Testament should be deleted from what they call The Canon of Scripture, thus taking away Scriptures like the above that upset them.
Now as we can see, man was not asked if he would like to be created, he was not invited to a business meeting and his opinion and agreement sought!! Believe it or not, though, this is the very basis upon which many ‘Christians’ build their lives as ‘believers’, that is, God needs our co-operation in order to be a success!! LOL. This is why they say: “There is no way I can be saved unless ‘I’ accept a Jesus as my saviour,” never mind John 6:44:
John 6:44 (MCV) “NO MANcan come to me, except the Father which hath sent me drawdrag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:65 (KJV) And He said, Therefore said I unto you, That NO MAN can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Look what Isaiah had to say on this matter:
Isaiah 29:16 (KJV) Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of Him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of Him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Isaiah 64:8 (KJV) But now, O LORD, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our Potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
We are the clay, The Lord God (Yashua Messiah) is The Potter, and we are the work of the Lord’s hand, how unambiguous is that!!?? Just where does mankind’s will, free or otherwise, fit in to this scenario or arrangement? As we can plainly see, it doesn’t.
OK, the Garden of Eden scene is nearly complete, just one more character to add: enter The Serpent otherwise known as the Destroyer, or the Author of Ruin and the Author of Lies. He is also known as the Author of Confusion (miscegenation or mixed bloods – see link No. 2 below), Satan, the Adversary, the Devil; so many names but with only one purpose – to destroy or wipe mankind, especially non-Jewish White Semitic Israel, from the face of the earth, if he possibly can.
Why is he like that? Easy, God (Yashua Messiah) made him that way. If the Godhead had already planned for Adam and Eve to fall, how were They going to bring it about?
Genesis 3:1 (KJV)Now The Serpent was more subtle (devious, cunning or crafty) than any beast of the field which the LORD God HAD MADE.And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
There he is folks, that old serpent – the Devil whom God made. Now, should this revelation (apologies to those of you who already know this Truth) shock us? Well yes it should, if, like me in the past, you have always believed what men of religion have taught you, without questioning it. Make no mistake, I came from that very same fold, too, until Yashua Messiah set me free into His Glorious Light and Truth and under His Glorious Grace. So yes it should shock us, but then again after a further study of His Word, shock turns quickly to: Well I’ll be…..!! How did I ever miss that??
By ‘missing that’, I mean the sons of perdition like the Pharaoh who confronted Moses, and Judas Iscariot who betrayed Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ). In both cases the Godhead hardened the Pharaoh’s heart and Judas’ heart, not the Devil. OK, the Devil played his part in leading Judas astray, but that act of betrayal had to happen and someone had to do it in order for the Scriptures to be fulfilled. Notice, too, that Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) was prophesied to fulfil His mission before the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8 (MCV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (Satan) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Exodus 7:2 (KJV) Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land. 3 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but The Son of Perdition (Judas); that The Scripture might be fulfilled.
Even before Adam and Eve were created The Lord was The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This means He and the Father God knew what was going to happen in the Garden of Eden before it happened. It had to happen the way it did in order that the Scriptures be fulfilled, God be glorified and Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) become the first and only begotten of The Father – God come in the flesh.
Here is an analogy that I now use to great effect: Mankind is like a prisoner and a prisoner can ‘choose’ to be a ‘good’ prisoner and win favour with the prison staff, or he can ‘choose’ to be an evil nasty prisoner, but either way he is still a prisoner with no freedom, so his ‘choices’ are a fantasy and, therefore, so is his imagined free will.
OK, so if man doesn’t have free will, what will does he have? Again that’s easy, he has rebellious will, stubborn will, a carnal will, but none of these wills are free, they’re controlled and manipulated by the one who led our parents astray in the first place – The Serpent – Satan – The Devil. Mankind can either do God’s will – but only after The Father has called him/her to His Son Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ), or Satan’s will. Mankind can have no other wills but these, and one will is bondage and captivity to sin, and the other is freedom from sin and death under His Glorious Grace.
It’s no good a man or woman saying “I don’t believe in the Devil – it’s all hogwash,” as that is all part of the Devil’s armoury anyway. To get people to think and say he doesn’t exist suits him just fine, and that viewpoint doesn’t make him go away and leave us alone, in fact it encourages him. This world (age) is his world (age) and he is the god of it, but not for much longer.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest The Light of The Glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So there we have it; mankind has no free will other than in his vain imaginations or fantasies.
Part 2 coming right up:
FREE WILL – Does Fallen Mankind Have It? – Further Proof and Evidence That He Doesn’t.
For those of you who were not convinced or persuaded by my first article on this subject, I thought I would add to it with more proof and evidence. If you haven’t done so, it will help if you read my first article “Free will – Does Fallen Mankind Have It” before this one. Thank you.
As it happens, someone e-mailed me recently questioning my ‘claims’ that mankind does not have free will. As always, I will remind readers that The Truth is not something that is claimed, it is always something that is declared in confidence or preached as news – the Good News, and then either accepted or rejected. Now this man made his remarks based upon the idea that Paul reasoned with the Jews in the synagogues. Which he did not, please see my soon coming article: “Did The Apostle Paul Reason With The Jews In The Synagogues?” He then went on to say:
“You claimed to refute the idea that Paul reasoned with the Jews, and implied that logical reasoning is evil and worldly. But I ask to you: if reason is evil, then why can Christians use it so effectively to minister to atheists?
Now here he is missing the point or points, because there is nothing wrong with reasoning, if it’s accompanied and guided by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but in too many cases it isn’t, and that includes the head knowledge men who translated the Holy Word of God into the English of the King James Bible. Now this head knowledge carnal reasoning is the problem, and yes it is evil if it’s applied to the Holy Word of God without the Holy Spirit. Finally he said:
“However, I do believe that God can use the faculties He has given us to lead us to Himself.”
Here again, we see the mainstream Christian inability or the trinity blindness causing them to be unable to see the Father and The Son as two supreme beings, (see link No. 3 below) not one being, and this is precisely the issue. It’s the Father that leads us, not to Himself, but to His Son – Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) and no man or woman can come to Yashua Messiah unless The Father calls us:
John 6:44 (MCV) “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw drag him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
By this, too, I trust you all understand that the act of salvation is not in the hands of man, but, rather, in the hands of The Father God alone and no one else. This is why the mainstream Christian slogans “I have found Jesus” or “I have made a decision for Jesus” or “I have accepted Jesus as my saviour” are not true, they’re just delusional lies. When The Father calls, the answer can only be as it was for Samuel and Jeremiah. In Samuel’s case it was a simple answer “Here am I”.
1 Samuel 3:4 (KJV) That the Lord called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.
In Jeremiah’s case it was predestination – Jeremiah was always going to be Jeremiah the prophet, come what may, so where was Jeremiah’s free will in this arrangement! It wasn’t, it wasn’t there at all, because Jeremiah didn’t have free will!
Jeremiah 1:4 (MCV) Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; and I bestowed upon thee the honour of being a prophet unto the nations.
He further said:
“I know that you’re probably thinking that those people can’t see your truth because they are incapable of doing so. However, this denies the freewill that is the core of what it is to be human. After all, God “created man in His own image.” If we are created in God’s image (which I am sure you believe) and we lack free will, then that implies that God doesn’t have free will either.
Yes we were created in the image of the Godhead, but unfortunately this man has forgotten one catastrophic event – man’s fall from the benefits that came with being created in God’s image. As you know, man chose (and chose for the last time) to believe a liar instead of his Creator, who told him The Truth, always. Once man fell he lost any freedom he once had and became a slave to sin, and fell under the curse of death, and as a servant of the Devil. Again, as you must know slaves and servants just do as they are told, they have no freedom and certainly no freedom to choose, so they have no free will. We have to be set free in order to have free will.
The fallen and lost have a will, yes, but it’s not free because the only will they can perform is the Devil’s will, for he is the god of this world (age or its systems) and he deceives the whole world. Man is in a rebellious frame of mind, continually, against his Creator. Even if man does ‘good’, he is still in the overall fallen condition, for he has the knowledge of ‘good’ and evil within that fallen condition. This means he will sometimes do ‘good’ and sometimes do evil, but he is still fallen and in slavery and/or in bondage to sin.
John 8:32 (KJV) And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you free.
Freedom only comes with being born of God (born again). Anyone not born of God (born again) is not free, so therefore has no free will. If we say we have free will, what is this real freedom the Lord is referring to? Freedom is freedom you cannot have categories or stages of freedom, it’s either freedom or slavery to sin.
I do not make any claims, for The Truth is not something we claim, it is something we either have, or do not have, so we tell it like it is, that is, through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in order for Yashua Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) to make His home with us. Once this has occurred we can only speak The Truth. Claims are for Hellenising philosophers, Bible intellectuals and theologians who do not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Moreover, ‘Christians’ can minister to atheists until they are blue in the face, but unless the Father is calling those atheists they will remain atheists.
He further added:
“At the end of your article, you said that those who claim that you were using reason to convince them of reason’s evil were in essence wrong, because they were using reasoning to do so. In doing so, you created a circular logic that comes across as “the only reasoning that is true is that which I declare to be true”–something that has turned many intelligent nonbelievers away from the Lord.”
My ‘reasoning’, as he calls it, only appears circular because reasoning without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can only be circular. This was the problem the first century Church had with Hellenising Greeks with their philosophers who infiltrated the Church and corrupted it with their non-gospel. Once born of God (born again) His Spirit joins our spirit and all our reasoning then points in a straight line to Him and is no longer circular.
Romans 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
It’s a Spiritual thing not a reason based logical thing, and this is where so many go wrong within mainstream Christianity (the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion).
He then says: “the only reasoning that is true is that which I declare to be true”–something that has turned many intelligent nonbelievers away from the Lord.”
Well this is clearly not true, for The Truth could never turn away anyone The Father is calling to His Son Yashua Messiah, and the response from a genuine newbie would be the complete opposite of what he is describing. This then tells us that the intellect in man is often a stumbling block, just like riches are usually a stumbling block for wealthy men. In fact the intellect is a form of riches.
He came back again:
“Dear Messenger Charles,
Thank you for taking the time for e-mailing me back. While I still do not completely agree with you, especially on the point that persons without Christ do not have free will (if our will is not free, then God determines who will be saved and who won’t, which is against His plan for us, for “it is not God’s will that any should perish.”), it is good to know that you are not one of those people who considers himself above responding to people with honest questions.”
I thanked him for his reply and pointed out that, in part, he had answered his own queries.
He was right, it is not God’s will that any man should perish and that is precisely what will happen – God’s will, will happen. (See link No. 4 below) Is God all powerful or not!? God’s will is not our will, for His ways are not our ways (unless we are born of God (born again) which, if it is God’s will that is being done, it proves that our will is not in the picture – free or otherwise.
Yashua Messiah came and conquered death, so if any man dies and remains dead, that is, has not been a part of any resurrection, then He and the Father will have failed. Nothing is conquered completely if any fraction of it remains unconquered. Yashua Messiah did not come to this earth to partly conquer sin and death, He came to conquer it all completely, and He did!
With regards to his point about our ‘free will’ he had not understood the issue that it’s only being born of God (born again) that gives us free will. Adam and Eve lost their ‘free will’ – the first Adam. We are under the Grace of The Second Adam and have been restored to an even better position than the first Adam before he fell. We are, in effect, more free than the first Adam, so we have free will, if we are born of God, but the lost and unsaved do not have free will, for they are not born of God, and they can only do the Devil’s will – that is the fallen condition.
If we believe that the lost and unsaved have free will then by default we are saying that they have a say in whether they are saved or not. By default, you are saying man’s decision overrides or overrules The Father’s decision, and man has the power to control God’s will – ridiculous! This is a tail wagging the dog scenario of cataclysmic proportions that he is describing here, whichever way you look at it, and makes God look powerless. This, too, is the foundational flaw in all mainstream Christian denominational teaching, and it renders all adherents to it as believers in a non-gospel – which is not a gospel at all, as Paul graphically pointed out:
Galatians 1:6-7 (KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into The Grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Once we embark upon a spiritual journey of salvation based upon man’s decisions, or upon man’s authority, which, if it is our decision, then it must be based upon our authority, we then have a spiritual journey of Spiritual insecurity. This is why mainstream Christians are always questioning the validity of their salvation and, in turn, why they live lives of worry, fear, guilt and doubt about their place in Christ (see link No. 5 below). Why? I will tell you why, because it all started on a sandy foundation of their decision; based upon the myth of their free will; when all the while it is not their decision at all but, rather, The Father’s decision alone to call them and save them = 100% Spiritual security.
I told him, I hoped it would help him in his understanding and we parted on good terms, with him saying he thought I made some very interesting points. He said he would have to think long and hard on this subject. He thanked me again for being willing to sacrifice my precious time, so it was refreshing and encouraging to part amicably.
In Yashua Messiah’s Holy name
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2. Exposing The Lucifer Lie:
3. The Duality Godhead:
4. Why Are There Two Resurrections?:
5. Can Born Of God, Spirit Led, Christians Lose Their Salvation?:
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6. The Counterfeit Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion:
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