Geocentricism (fixed or stationary earth) or Heliocentricism (spinning and orbiting earth) – Which do YOU believe?
Now this is a subject that you may not have given a single thought to, but I have had it on the back burner, within the recesses of my mind, for many years and, as I now think about it, I wonder why it’s taken me so long to act on those thoughts, because it’s a subject that’s just up my street!! Why is that I hear you ask? Quite simply, because 99.9% of the people on the face of this earth believe that the earth does spin on its so called axis and that it does orbit the sun at the same time. Incredibly, virtually no one questions this paradigm – it’s set in concrete. The herd instinct is well and truly alive, folks, and all in the scientifically enlightened and advanced minds of people in the 21st century! LOL.
Now there is nothing I enjoy more than being different from the masses and I find these challenge(s) exhilarating, so let’s be clear, for the heliocentric mindset is all encompassing, but is it correct, or is it a totally deluded and deceived mindset? We will see and furthermore will we discover that the people ‘in the know’, the so called experts, already know that the earth is static and then lie to us with their heliocentric BS?
Moreover, what I find most interesting, too, is the fact that heliocentricity is more readily accepted than Darwinism – it’s automatic with nearly all people. There are many people, also, who claim to be Christians and who believe The Truth that God created all things, but even they fall for the heliocentric version of things. This means that they believe God made the sun the centre of the universe and got all the planets in our solar system to revolve around the sun yet, The Holy Scriptures repeatedly tell us a different story and here are just a few of the many verses that prove what I am saying is true:
Genesis 15:12 (KJV) And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Genesis 19:23 (KJV) The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
Ecclesiastes 1:5 (KJV) The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
Matthew 5:45 (KJV) That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mark 16:2 (KJV) And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. (All Emphasis mine)
So what do we have here, for it all looks straight forward enough, doesn’t it? I mean, do you believe what’s written here or don’t you? You see, I am not going to dwell on the science of this issue, at any depth, because if you’re a believer or profess to be a Christian it’s not necessary or, at least, it shouldn’t be. Having said that, I will mention one scientific fact later.
In the meantime let’s copy the important Scripture here, because this is the rub of this article:
Joshua 10:13 (KJV) And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in The Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.(Emphasis mine)
Notice that the sun stood still, not the earth, and the moon stayed as well. Now as a Christian do you believe it and, what’s more, do you believe this:
Exodus 14:21 (KJV) And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. (Emphasis mine)
Now if you believe this, how can you not believe that God stayed the moon and made the sun stand still? Is God a liar? Is God a deceiver? If God had stopped the earth moving do you think He would not have said so? What did He have to gain or lose by telling us a lie? Is He in control of everything or not?
Look, folks, if you don’t believe at all then carry on with your atheist or secular heliocentric twaddle beliefs, it makes no difference to me. No, the people I am interested in are those who only half-believe. These are what I call quasi-Christians who limit God and limit in their minds what THEY think God is capable of i.e. a God made in their image – a weak humanised God. This means that they readily give science elbow room within their wishy-washy belief structure and that’s because they haven’t really taken this Scripture on board with regard to those who think they are clever:
Romans 1:22 (KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
This verse describes the condition of much of the scientific world or the world of academia – real meaning academonia. They think the earth is billions of years old when it is quite young, which the molten lava mantel proves. They think the dinosaurs ruled the world multiple millions of years ago when they were alive and kicking in the pre-flood world just 5,000 years ago alongside mankind and humankind. Then we get this spinning and orbiting earth garbage and nonsense which, if I am correct, was conjured up by a wretch called Nicolaus Copernicus 1473 – 1543 AD. His mickey mouse ideas were not generally accepted for 100 years after his death so he was that convincing – yet more mirth for the author. It was probably due to the fact that he produced no real evidence to prove his whacky theories.
Amazingly, or maybe not so amazingly, Copernicus was fawned over by both Protestant Lutherans and those of the Roman Cult, proving yet again that the The Holy Scriptures are given patronising lip service only by these so called Christian believers. Here’s their policy: “We will believe God until the next human made vain imagining comes along, which we’ll openly accept and embrace and via these ideas reject God and His Word.” This, dear people, is the arrogance and puffed up vanity of these silly creatures in action – the blasphemous foolishness of the Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion.
Now, as I mentioned, I shall produce one or two pieces of additional information and the first of these is with regard to the mathematical equations used by scientists in order to calculate the launching of satellites into space. What are these calculations based upon?
From the Geocentric Islam web page no less:
“In a letter written to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) making the following inquiry: “Is the present movement of GOES [Geostationary Satellite] planned and executed on the basis of a fixed earth or a rotating earth?” The answer returned by the department head of GOES/POLAR Navigation, was very simple: “Fixed Earth.”
The original letter was addressed to Charles E. Liddick of the United States Department of Commerce, Office of Satellite Operations, Washington, DC 20233 on November 17, 1989. Mr. Liddick transferred the inquiry to Lee Ranne, from GOES/POLAR Navigation, Office of Satellite Operations at the NOAA offices in the department of National Environmental Satellite Data and Information Service, who then wrote to, the questioner, Marshall Hall, on November 22, 1989, with a copy to Mr. Liddick. Original letters are cited in Marshall Hall’s The Earth is Not Moving, Cornelia, Georgia, Fair Education Foundation, 1994, p. 261
If you also do a YouTube search for Malcolm Bowden on Geocentricism you will find much more scientific information, if that’s your thing, but for me The Holy Scriptures are enough, although it’s great to be vindicated by scientific facts as well.
OK, so there we have it, the earth is still, it’s at the centre of the universe, and it’s man’s home who is the pinnacle of God’s creation, what could be simpler and easier to grasp?
Psalm 93:1 (KJV) The LORD reigneth, He is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded Himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
As a final point if we refer to the very beginning of Genesis in verse one we find that the heavens and the earth were created, earth being mentioned separately here from the heavens and it’s not until day four that the sun and the moon were put in their places in the heavens. The question we now have to ask ourselves is what was the earth doing for three days and nights if there was no sun for it to orbit? Did God give the earth a shove to start it on its way and get a whip out to set it spinning as children used to do with spinning tops in the 19th century? All credit to Malcolm Bowden for pointing this Truth out.
It is interesting that there was a darkness over the whole earth for about three hours during the Lord’s crucifixion. I always assumed that this was due to a solar eclipse, but clearly, it couldn’t have been; eclipses only last for a few minutes. Had the sun been halted during this time, as it was during Joshua’s battle in Canaan, then there would not have been darkness over the whole earth; the conclusion therefore is that it was extinguished. This phenomenon will be repeated before the Great Day of God’s wrath; the sun will be turned to darkness, and the moon into blood, as the extinguished sun begins to darken down to complete blackness. The reality about the sun is that it is more of a light bulb than a nuclear furnace, and as such it can be switched on or off by its Creator, as the Electric Universe theory is now making clear.
Thanks for your contribution.
As you said:
“Had the sun been halted during this time, as it was during Joshua’s battle in Canaan, then there would not have been darkness over the whole earth;”
The sun being halted was to allow for Joshua and the Israelites to have a longer day of sunlight in order to accomplish their victory, not for there to be darkness.
The darkness over the whole earth at the time of Yashua Messiah’s crucifixion must have been a different phenomenon altogether. It might have been an eclipse using another object or one of the planets which would last much longer than a moon eclipse and that would put the whole earth in darkness for longer than a few minutes, bearing in mind that half the earth’s surface is always in darkness anyway.
Isn’t the sun just a ball of highly inflammable gases?
It’s also interesting to note that at the time of The Creation it wasn’t until the fourth day that the sun and moon were created and put in place and yet there was light and darkness for the first three days. The Light coming from Yashua Messiah as God The Creator.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
There may be some confusion here. Maybe my fault. I am saying that there is a fundamental difference between what the sun did during Joshua’s battle, ( ie it halted ) and what it did during the Lord’s crucifixion, ( it was extinguished altogether ) During Joshua’s battle, he needed more daylight; the sun was stopped in its circuit to accomplish this. It turns out that several tribes in S America have legends about two days of darkness; these would have occurred at this same time, as the “flip side” to the two days’ of sunlight in Canaan.
But the Lord’s crucifixion darkness is altogether a different phenomenon. As Creator, an infinite witness to this great and central event in all eternity was required; there could be no physical light shining during the death of the Creator; anywhere in the universe, and certainly this would not have been achieved, as you imply, by simply cutting off the light from the sun by the obstruction of a planet.
The sun is not a ball of burning gas. Sunspots are dark, indicating that the internal structure of the sun is dark too. Its temperature increases as you rise up above its surface, which would be impossible if its energy were coming from within. Its energy comes from without. See the EU website. It is effectively an electric light bulb connected to all the other light bulbs, ie stars, via the so-called Birkeland Currents which are seen to be visibly twisting their ways between the galaxies.
Accordingly therefore, I suspect that the entire heavenly host was extinguished; switched off if you will, during those hours, although obviously we are not told that in scripture.
Amos 8,9 tells us that this extinguishing of the sun will happen again, as the sign of God’s vengeance upon the creation.
ps I’m reading lots of your articles, and I am really excited by them. Have you written anything else about the two seeds? I think you implied that you have, but I can’t see the reference in the list.
I’ve now marked those spurious passages you pointed out in the NT. it’s so obvious once it’s mentioned, so thank you for enlightening me greatly.
maybe clouds covered up the sun
I think the darkness would have been total but there’s always some light even with the thickest clouds.
No it’s not your fault and I must admit this is not a subject I have given much attention to, so yes your comments make sense with it being the whole creation in darkness and that’s why I drew attention to Yashua Messiah being The Light in the first three days of the Creation when the sun and moon had not yet been created and placed in the heavens.
He is The Light so His death would have temporarily put that Light out so the darkness in the heavens would have been a physical sign albeit temporary of that Spiritual reality.
The two seeds thing I cover in these articles: https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/did-eve-have-sex-with-the-devil-or-did-she-just-eat-some-fruit-part-1/
I think I cover it, too, a little, in the Lucifer Lie articles.
I have always thought the earth was still after reading Joshua .
GODs word never lies. Amen
Blessings in his name
Yes our Creator fixed The Earth on a firm foundation so that it would never move and He made it the centre of the Universe where the pinnacle of His Creation – man, could live in peace and in plenty.
It’s just a shame that man has allowed thieves and pirates (The Devil’s Seed) to steal all God’s bounteous blessings from him.
Thank you for your contribution.
I usually ask people this question:
“How is it possible that airplane flies from Paris to NY same amount of time as from NY to Paris, while the Earth supposedly rotates in one direction ?”
There are no answers, or there are answers like “oh, it is physics, we don`t understand that”, “it is science” etc …
I suppose it was Mark Twain who said something like “it is much easier to fool the people than to convince them they have been fooled”
Yes absolutely. It’s the same with space rockets. If space is a vacuum how does thrust from a rocket engine propel the rocket forwards if there is nothing to thrust against.
I also like this one:
“If you want to make someone angry tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third it is accepted as self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
Thanks for your contribution
I am always amazed that Christians who defend the creation narrative and have faith in the atonement of our Lord will quote the scientific view of heliocentrism. I have also come across numerous examples in Christian books written by godly ministers seemingly unaware that they are doubting the record given to us in regard to the earth and it’s position in creation.
Not only do we have the example of joshua who appeals to the book of Jasher for confirmation of the event but also King Hezekiah who asked for the sun to go backwards ten degrees. The implications of both of these events on a world allegedly spinning at 1200mph and travelling through space at 70,000mph would have been disastrous. The only out for the unbelieving is to deny these events happened.
If the earth and its atmosphere were indeed spinning at 1200mph at the equator then the high atmosphere would be where we find oxygen molecules since they are heavier than Hydrogen due to centrifugal force. Similarly, ships laden at the equator would be lighter than when unloaded in the northern or Southern Hemisphere where the spin is only 600mph. There is a difference but it’s only 1%.
The Michelson Morley experiments of the late 1800’s showed that the earth was not in motion. No one was able to criticise their methodology or equipment so they brought in Einstein with his ludicrous special theory of relativity in 1905 which has never been practically tested it’s just a series of algorithms which Tesla called neat mathematics but wrong. Even Einstein himself didn’t believe the theory because he could not conceive of space being empty ie light needed a medium through which it could travel and he had got rid of the aether in his calculations which he later reinstated in the General Theory.
Hubble’s telescope showed everything to be moving away from us (redshift) he called the result of his experiment horrific and unacceptable, then, Hawkings suggested “as a matter of modesty” and to save the current model that the universe must look the same from whatever angle we viewed it, that is the expanding balloon theory where all the heavenly bodies are sitting on top of an expanding balloon. Ludicrous, it’s what they call an ad hoc theory and remains util proven or not.
There is so much more but time and space do not permit (no pun intended)
Great article. Funny, a Christian sister was advising me the other day, that the earth is flat and that it is the sun and moon that revolve around the earth.
With respect, but I am not a flat earther. The flat earth thing is a CIA Youtube psy-op in order to distract people away from the truth of Geocentricism – a fixed and stationary globe.
Here is Malcom Bowden’s take on the flat earth thing:
Great article. Short and to the point. Many many I’m sure just cherry pick from Scripture what they think fits the needs of the current times.
The earth is flat and stationery with the firmament separating the waters above from the waters below. It is stretched out, an expanse. It is NOT a dome as many of the flat earthers theorise. The only way anyone is going to understand this is to understand how our vision and our eyes work. So please do research into this because you are completely missing the absolute magnitude and awesomeness of God’s true creation. Everything God created the enemy has taken and sold to us an opposite, a lie because he does not want us to know the truth.
Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
(The only thing that is moving is the Spirit of God moving on the face of the waters. No spinning globe, travelling round the sun which is supposedly travelling round the universe.)
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. (So here it is clearly written that God made the firmament which divided the waters above from the waters below. This means There is water above us as well as the oceans surrounding us. God called this firmament Heaven!)
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. (So here we see the earth taking shape, the waters gathering together, our oceans, and the land appearing.)
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth. (Here, the two greater and lesser lights are the sun and the moon. Not spheres, balls of gas, balls of rock, but lights. And he set them IN the firmament.
The devil, when tempting Jesus, doesn’t fly him round the globe to show him. He took him to a high mountain and showed him ALL the kingdoms of the world. How is this possible on a globe? Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.
The glory indeed!
Here’s a link to a video that gives some insight into how our perspective works. If you’re not happy with a flat earther’s point of view then look for other vidoes on perspective and what the eyes do when we look out at the world.
The “waters above” (the firmament) fell from the sky at the time of the deluge – the flood, so you’re talking utter nonsense.
The Flat Earth BS is a CIA internet psy-op – a pack of lies and you are a duped useful idiot.
“Here’s their policy: “We will believe God until the next human made vain imagining comes along, which we’ll openly accept and embrace and via these ideas reject God and His Word.” This, dear people, is the arrogance and puffed up vanity of these silly creatures in action…”
Chuckle chuckle. Some time ago now as I was first discovering your articles and searching away like a Berean I encountered a fellow who declared the Christianity he believed in was one heavily influenced by Copernicus. I declined to point out to him the obvious and left him to his conceited delusion….
Very wise and to quote that famous quote – “Best not to argue with fools, they will only drag you down you their level and beat you through sheer experience.”
why not go the whole way with what scripture says? what about the 4 corners of the earth and the pillars? and the firmament over the earth? also when scripture speaks of extreme distance it often says as far as the east is from the west, not north to the south. it seems the earth is wider than it is deep.
How old are you? North, South, East and West ARE the four corners, but NOT literally, look up the word idioms!
The firmament was the water barrier ABOVE the earth before The Flood!
i see youre protecting yourself again by biting. asking how old i am is irrelevant and my age is irrelevant. when people ‘grow up’ they usually stop studying things such as this and fall into the mainstream. which gets them nowhere as we both know. i have a nice book of idioms too thanks. north south east and west are the four directions not corners. i see it as the firmament is still there its where the moon stars and sun move around in also the clouds. if u dont want to discuss it no prob u stick to ur guns. but the scriptures say WHEN Messiah appears in the clouds, ALL shall see Him. so we are all on a level plane no one ‘underneath the earth’. We shall behold Him all together at once, He wont be hanging around. The point i was making is if youre going down the scriptual line then a flat earth is the only way. unless you want to allegorise and idiomise The Word when it suits your own theories. Peace.
There will be peace when I say there’s peace, and as long as you’re promulgating flat earth lies there will be no peace, so you can do the other thing.
“i see it as the firmament is still there its where the moon stars and sun move around in also the clouds.”
That is the Aether, not the firmament:
Genesis 1:6 (KJV) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament (the atmospheric water barrier): and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven (the atmosphere). And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven (the atmosphere) be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
In the meantime, perhaps you can show me, in the night sky, where I might find the sun in your mickey mouse flat earth paradigm. I will remind you that in the flat earth paradigm the sun can NEVER set, nor rise.
here: watch til the end
I will not allow my blog to be polluted with CIA lying propaganda.
Now tell me knuckle head, is the sun larger to the naked eye when it sets or smaller? and does it slowly disappear in minute segments or gradually reduce in size to fit your mickey mouse flat earth paradigm?
149 proofs that Dubay is retarded beyond comparison:
Known as well as the dome by duped morons like you!
And the point you’re missing is that the sun would NEVER get larger at all in a flat earth paradigm, as it moves further away, thereby reducing in size due to distance. Get it through your thick head that there would be NO SUN SET or SUN RISE in a flat earth paradigm – period!
As I said to that stupid woman battlebeth on Hugo Talks, you morons don’t even understand the dumb theory you’re promulgating.
Now I am done with this infantile asinine subject, so anymore comments from you on this will be trashed/deleted.