SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: I am currently publishing my version of The Set Apart Scriptures – The MCV Bible, link here: https://thetruthnotdoctrine.wordpress.com
Introduction
Now this verse in 1 Corinthians 15 is very interesting, but not for reasons that you might at first imagine for, in my opinion, this is not a Scripture at all, and yet there it is in the penultimate chapter of 1 Corinthians. This is a bogus verse, having already caused many, many, many hours of wasted time for Bible scholars of all denominations (demon-inations), who have spent those hours trying to explain it, but failing every time, NEVER coming to a satisfactory conclusion. Quite a few of them refer to it as the most perplexing and difficult verse to understand in all the writings of Paul, even in the whole of the New Testament. So when I read these views in their papers my Spiritual antennae went into overdrive, and they flashed their helpful warning lights at me.
This means that I immediately ceased doing by own research on this nonsensical verse, resulting in only three or four hours of wasted time. However, it was still three of four hours of precious time that I could have used more productively, now that I am embroiled in writing my own version of the Set Apart Scriptures, which, as you can imagine, is a mammoth task, even with the assistance of computer technology.
So, as is my want, let’s copy and paste the culprit verse here from one or seven Bible Versions; starting with my version – The MCV, followed by the KJV, The Greek Transliteral, The Scriptures 2009, The Good News Bible, The Phillips NT and The Amplified Bible:
1 Corinthians 15:29 (MCV) Else what shall they do, that is, those which are Baptised for the Spiritually dead, if the dead rise not at all? And why are they then Baptised for their sake?
1 Corinthians 15:29 (KJV) Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:29 (The Greek Transliteral) Else (any) what? They-shall-be-doing the ones-being-baptised for-sake-of dead-ones if absolutely (wholly) dead-ones not are-being-roused why also they-are-being baptised for-sake-of them.
1 Corinthians 15:29 (The Scriptures 2009) Otherwise, what shall they do who are immersed for the dead, if the dead are not raised at all? Why indeed are they immersed for the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:29 (Good News Bible) Now, what about those people who are baptized for the dead? What do they hope to accomplish? If it is true, as some claim, that the dead are not raised to life, why are those people being baptized for the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:29 (The Phillips NT) Further, you should consider this, that if there is to be no resurrection what is the point of some of you being baptised for the dead by proxy? Why should you be baptised for dead bodies?
1 Corinthians 15:29 (The Amplified Bible) Otherwise, what will those do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people even baptized for them?
Right, first question! What is this satanic drivel all about? Answer: Baptism for the sake of the dead, whether they are Spiritually dead, or completely dead, is what it’s all about!
How is that even a thing? How is it Scriptural? And why is Paul even mentioning it? when it’s not Scriptural, for NO ONE can be Baptised for the sake of another man or woman, whether they are Spiritually dead or completely dead. The whole thing is ludicrous, and 100% erroneous, so why is this verse in 1 Corinthians 15? And why has Paul not exposed it for what it is?
In the previous verses we have this:
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 But each man in his own order: The Messiah – The Anointed being the first-fruits; afterwards they that are The Messiah’s – The Anointed’s at His coming to be near at hand. 24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up The Kingdom to Yah The Father; when He shall have neutered, and rendered useless, all ruling principalities, and all authorities and power structures on this earth. 25 For He must Reign and rule His Kingdom with a Royal Sceptre of iron, till He hath put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For The Father hath put all things under His Son’s feet. But when The Father says: “All things have been put into subjection under my Son,” it is clear that The Father, who put all things in subjection under Him, is excepted, because The Father is not in subjection to His own Son. 28 And when all things shall be subjected unto The Son, then shall The Son also Himself be subject unto The Father that put all things under Him, that Yah The Father may be all in all.
Notice how verse 29 starts, for it reads as if it is a continuation of what’s been written before in the previous verse….else what shall they do?…. Yet this short opening phrase bears no relation to verse 28 at all!
Notice also the subject matter of the whole passage, for it has NOTHING to do with Baptism, let alone Baptism for the sake of others, so what’s going on? This thing has echoes of the other examples of spurious additions to the KJV I have revealed in the past: (see link Nos. 1, 2 & 3 below).
OK, so let’s see one or two examples of what these Bible scholars say:
From the: “For What Saith The Scriptures” web page, which I do not recommend:
“This is probably the most mysterious verse in all of the Pauline epistles—yea, in all the Bible. I doubt there is a person on earth who could fully explain it.”
He’s probably right, and that’s why it’s in there. For me, this verse stinks of sabotage and subversion by satanic Hellenising religious philosophers of the late first century and early second century AC, who wanted to mock Baptism. Plus to generally confuse believers on a huge scale and bog them down in endless research, studies and debates.
Look folks, I’ll tell you straight, just web search this verse and witness the number of web sites all attempting their silly meaningless explanations, when all the while no explanation exists, and is totally impossible to unravel – it’s a trap, or what they call today, in the modern vernacular, a ‘sting operation’! It can also be likened to an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ or ‘Through The Looking Glass’ blind rabbit hole, which leads us nowhere = the obvious intention of the saboteurs from the start!
Needless to say The Mormons (The Church of Latter Day Saints) are big on this verse and practise Baptism for the dead.
So were there any examples of this phenomenon in The Assemblies of Yah in Paul’s day? No, of course not, but certain pagan heathen water rituals were not unheard of.
From Wikipedia we get this:
“Baptism for the dead is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:29 as proof of a physical resurrection, though the exact meaning of the phrase is an open question among scholars. The plainest reading of the Greek text suggests vicarious baptisms performed by the living on behalf of the deceased, but some scholars dispute whether Paul approved of the practice or whether the verse truly refers to an actual physical practice among early Christians. Early heresiologists Epiphanius of Salamis (Panarion 28) and Chrysostom (Homilies 40) attributed the practice respectively to the Cerinthians and to the Marcionites, whom they identified as heretical “Gnostic” groups, while Ambrosiaster and Tertullian affirmed that the practice was legitimate and found among the New Testament Christians (though Tertullian later recanted his original beliefs in his later life as he became associated with Montanism)”
In this little piece we can see another reason for this satanic verse, that is, they have used it in a pathetic attempt to try and prove their blasphemous PHYSICAL resurrection garbage, when The Resurrection is a SPIRITUAL resurrection (see link No. 4 below). We then get a connection to Marcion and the Gnostics, who, apparently, practised this satanic ritual.
Next we have this Cerinthus creature who was a Serpent Seed Canaanite Jew, and active in the apostate Hellenised church…. (see link No. 5 below):
Cerinthus:
“One of a sect of early heretics, followers of Cerinthus, a Jew believed to have been born before the crucifixion, and one of the first heresiarchs in the (counterfeit) church. (Brackets mine)
“One of an ancient religious sect, so called from Cerinthus, a Jew, who attempted to unite the doctrines of Christ with the opinions of the Jews and Gnostics.”
….along with, the religious criminal Tertullian who, surprise surprise, also practised this blasphemous ritual – he seems to pop up everywhere, and always where there are evil shenanigans going on. My file on this reprobate is growing considerably, and I might even have enough evidence for an article on him alone. Watch this space.
OK I think that just about wraps it up. If you want to do more research on it, feel free, and also leave a comment, but I have wasted too much time on it already, and will happily strike it through when I publish 1 Corinthians in my MCV version.
In Yashua Messiah’s Set Apart name
Messenger Charles
1. Romans 13:1-7 Do Sons and Daughters of Yah Have To Obey Secular or Religious Authorities?:
2. Can Born of Yah Christians Grieve The Holy Spirit?:
3. Should Christians Be Baptised Into Yashua Messiah’s (Jesus Christ’s) Name Alone?:
4. Why Are There Two Resurrections?:
Roman Catholicism is NOT Christianity; Eastern (Russian & Greek) Orthodoxy is NOT Christianity; AngliCAINism is NOT Christianity; PROTESTantism is NOT Christianity.
5. The Counterfeit Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion:
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Hi Charles,
First off, congratulations on your publishing of the set-apart scriptures. The only word I can think of to describe such a work is…. epic.
Yes, this verse just smells of addition/insertion. Glad you haven’t wasted any more time on it. I won’t waste any at all. Ta.
Hi Edward,
Long time no hear. How’s things? Are you still driving buses? I hope you and your family are well, and the controlled weather has settled down.
Thanks for the congrats, and yes it is an epic work, but I am making steady progress – early days yet.
Yes I hate these verses that bog people down in hours and hours and hours of meaningless research which always lead nowhere.
Interesting, too, that Paul in 1 Corinthians is so strong in emphasising the edification of The Assemblies with mature use of the Spiritual gifts, and then we get this verse which causes the exact opposite, and drains and frustrates us with hours of pointless study.
Best regards
Charles
Yes, still driving busses. I just did nine days straight. Two in the middle were for Falls Festival; youngins all decked out in gothic french maid/burlesque attire and happy pills.
Now I have two days off to rest up before going back for four and then a six day break.
We’re on summer holidays here. The GSM has been keeping us in cool wet weater generally. West Australia now getting heavily flooded. To my mind it is entirely possible Yashua is doing it on account of all the damned backsliding.
Speaking of which I went to see a band last night. I decided I should take my father-in-law out for a birthday and these guys “Backsliders” have been around for quite some time. I was easily the youngest in the crowd at 53. LOL. It’s almost time for these boomers to wheel themselves home to bed. Interesting show. Haven’t been to live music for ages and after all the lockdowns it was good to just go out and do something. Opening act was a young bloke from Sydney Karl S Williams. Great voice, banjo, piano and guitar all solo and mostly focussed around spirituals i.e. “tell that ramblin, gamblin’ midnight rider, the backslider the good Lord is going to cut him down” etc. Had a chat with him in the break. I think I’ll send him some of your articles.
Yes, pointless study. Take your shoes off and get in the garden. Yahshua has it all under control.
I think the Spirit blew my mind this year and I’ve been lying on the canvas.
Take care.
Enjoy your break and a rest, 9 days without a break is a chore.
Ha ha you can’t beat the BOOMERS! LOL
Likewise you take care.
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Ah the Boomers. Lol!
Hey, your Patrio video site isn;t coming up on my end. My computer is getting pretty old. Funny thing just took it to a decent bloke at the local Mac shop (indie) and he said there were over 60 viruses he had to clean off. Ooops!
So over all this screeen shite. When can we get the MCV in printed bound volumes?
Also, every once in a while I wonder how your article on why Dan is not listed in Revelations is coming along?
I guess it’s winter your way and you are about ready to go ice skating on the Thames then?
Hi Edward
Patrio TV all of a sudden disappeared into the cyber aether. Likewise I clicked on Worldtruthvideos yesterday and that has joined Patrio TV in the cyber aether. LOL
60 viruses? LOL was your computer walking across your desk on its own?
When I have finished it I will see about publishing it, but I have no money, so it will have to be a freebie publisher – If I can find one.
The Dan thing is not a big subject so probably doesn’t warrant a whole article on it. I’ll have to incorporate it into an existing article.
Dan is excluded because of its Papist idolatry. The Irish are the most Roman Catholic people on the face of this earth, bordering on fanaticism. They’re more Catholic than the Italians and Spanish.
This is something stamped into their psyche from the days of ancient Israel when they were the swiftest to incorporate Canaanite practices into their beliefs, thereby being the first tribe to rebel against Yah.
Yes it’s definitely winter, with much rain this year, but so far not much snow. The River Tamar (Thames) hasn’t frozen over since the 17th century, so it must be ‘global warming’ – the polar bears like it though! LOL
Hmm.
I was aware of wtv disappearing. I’ve had a few back and forths with their fearless leader on their blog site. I can’t say I’ve any hard fast conclusions about the whole thing, but they disappeared a while back and then came back. He said it was cyber attacks etc. I told him to make it a private members site and people have to pay a monthly fee, say $5 and then they can build their own thing and not get hacked. Shame. I liked a Hocus Pocus vid on occasion.
Anhyway, are you putting your vids anywhere new? GoyimTV? ha ha
Now, in other news, before the demise of Patrio I watched a few of your Tom Cown vids and went on to buy a book he recommended called the invisible rainbow. Quite interesting. Anyway, I saw this today and after reading this book thought of you:
https://cultivateelevate.com/blog/electroculture-gardening-techniques-for-beginners-elevate-your-garden/
Re WorldTruthVideo it’s a shame that the girl Coz left, for she was good and easy to deal with – always helpful! This fella Michael had way too much arrogance and ego for his own good – he thought he was Yah’s gift to the world, and showed no respect for his fellow comrades.
I’ll be very surprised if the site comes back this time, plus I am always on the look out for new sites.
Yes HocusPocus is a good egg.
The GoyimTV site has banned me, so that’s a no go for me now. I cannot remember what the issue was other than they might have wanted a phone number for signing up which is always a deal breaker for me.
The Archive site is the only place I regularly use now: https://archive.org/details/@messengercharles27
Oh plus a site called NewTube which I have only used once because they moderate videos, and I don’t like that. I may try them again – we’ll see.
The gardening stuff is VERY INTERESTING so I will be giving that a try! The only negative is that the copper tools are extortionate. So I’ll have to wait for them to come down in price when more manufacturers come onto the market.
Good to hear that Jack Hard-on the NZ tranny creature has resigned, I wonder what they’ll replace it with? Hard to believe that the replacement could be any worse than that evil bastard?
I don;t know what is on offer in the mainstream anymore because I have left the building so to speak but I did see a clip from Katie Hopkins and it feature footage from a packed bar in NZ and when Ardern made the annoucnement the place exploded – more than a soccer match. People were literally convulsing going beserk. That was fun to see.
I reckon just get a spool of copper wiring to start and hand wrap some around a stick and make an antenna and see what happens?
Have you ever heard of Wilson & Beckett?
Trouble is that (((they))) have found an even more evil bastard to replace Jack.
Are Wilson and Beckett the so-called historians? If so they’re dissos.
Of course they have. That just goes without saying doesn’t it? Well, at least he can retire to raise his baby doll.
These dudes: https://www.cymroglyphics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=65
Yes what a vile creature.
As I was saying – they’re dissos. The Hanovers were Stuarts and Judahites, not Germans.
Oh and I just got banned from Hugo Talks. LOL
Why?
Oh I presume for several reasons. But I think the straw that broke the camel’s back with him was my confronting him over his misinterpretation of Scripture, namely Genesis 1:27 without including Genesis 1:26.
His sudden ‘conversion’ is all a bit strange, too, with his regular, almost zealous, use of the Scriptures in his videos, but not fully understanding what he’s doing. Up until the other day I had remained silent re his Scripture quoting = if they be for us, they’re not against us, and let him get on with it, but my challenging him on Genesis 1:27 was a bridge too far, as far as he was concerned, and so I had to go.
He also got miffed over my putting too many links to my blog, on his site, so those comments started disappearing. All in all he turned out to be like all the rest – those who pay lip service to freedom of speech.
On the positive side, I had a good run (for no money) from his site with thousands of views, especially from the UK – so hopefully lots of seeds sown.
Hmmm.
I have J Peterson in my head of late and that seems to fit with this fellow. I reckon there are many many many lost and lasped souls out there now post 60s post punk post pop culture etc and it occurs to me there is a vacuum in a space that was once filled by the priests and now for better or worse, I reckon it’s actually better, people are perhaps in some small way beginning to step out of the shadow of churches and into a new way of looking at things with guys like Peterson etc. These guys may not understand or they may even shill, but it might be the place to go a fishing so yes, hopefully a few seeds sown?
Yes I agree that there seems to a growing ground swell of those disenchanted with religion, and especially with those disenchanted with politics, so a potentially fertile vacuum is being formed as we speak.
As it happens, Hugo did an expose of Juden Peterstein as being a pro-jabber.
That reminds me, I have that video of Peterstein saying: “I can’t do that!” when challenged by a student in his audience re the Jewish Question, so I must put that up on my archive channel.
Sounds good. I’m not sure if I have that archice channel?
Also, I stumbled upon somethign called GodTube a while back. I haven’t the faintest idea what it’s about and it’s likely trolling “Christians” all day long but just thought I’d share that with you.
Are you playing ice hockey on the the Thames yet?
https://archive.org/details/@messengercharles27
Godtube? Not heard of that one – got a link?
Not yet, would need sub-zero temperatures 24/7 for a few days before that happens, and at my age I would avoid the ice like the plague.